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Re: Just use Google Scholar for systematic reviews

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"Bluhm-Stieber, Hella" <[log in to unmask]>

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Bluhm-Stieber, Hella

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Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:41:07 -0800

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I am pretty shocked about their analysis. As Chris already mentioned they found the articles by searching PubMed and just verified them in GoogleScholar. They did not search GoogleScholar first. 
Perhaps, we should all post a comment to the article at: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6947/13/7/comments
Hella

Hella Bluhm-Stieber, MLIS, AHIP
Medical Librarian
M.J.Chatton Medical Library
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-----Original Message-----
From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tylman, Vislava
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 9:04 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Just use Google Scholar for systematic reviews

For all of us who are searching, collecting literature for any purpose, on any subject the main problem is that with the number of publications published in the world there is no database that covers all of them. The next important part of our searching is the strategy, terminology, index terms, our skills and knowledge of the subject that may make our searching more efficient of very poor.  
As a summary - the title of this discussion looks like advertising for Google, but also a serious warning for some of our medical searchers. We have Medline, EMBASE and many other databases that we should search before going to Google Scholar. 

Vislava T. Tylman, MLS
Goldblatt Medical Library
Cleveland Clinic Florida


-----Original Message-----
From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Fleuriel, Christine
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 11:13 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Just use Google Scholar for systematic reviews

They started with an endpoint and went to GS to verify it. It seems they
had a conclusion in mind before they started. 


Chris
Christine Fleuriel, MSLIS
VA Maine healthcare System
207.623.8411 ext 5626
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Practicing anticipatory librarianship every day.


-----Original Message-----
From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Kramer, B.M.R. (Bianca)
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 11:10 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Just use Google Scholar for systematic reviews

Totally agree. In addition, regardless of how large the stated number of
results is in Google Scholar is, it is only possible to view the first
1000. 
So, with a given search query, it is not even theoretically possible to
scan *all* results (if there are more than 1000). 

For the example Connie quoted below, only those of the 36 articles that
are among the first 1000 listed can theoretically be retrieved (with
this search query). 

Bianca Kramer

P.S. I was also rather shocked at the cavalier way the results from the
2012 Nourbakhsh paper were included in the Discussion. That one was
dissected rather thoroughly on this list a while ago. Worth a Letter to
the Editor for that one (and perhaps this one as well...)? 

...................

Bianca Kramer, PhD | Information Specialist Health and Medical Sciences
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From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [[log in to unmask]] on
behalf of Knight, Karen (kkg8n) [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:58 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Just use Google Scholar for systematic reviews

Excellent analysis Connie!  Thank you.
Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Connie Schardt
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 9:45 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Just use Google Scholar for systematic reviews

This is an interesting article.

 The way they got to 100% of the articles in Google Scholar was by
looking up each reference in GS by the title. So this verifies that all
the articles are in GS BUT finding them when you don't already have the
titles is the problem.

The precision for some of their sample searches ( "(Erythropoietin or
Darbepoetin) cancer") is fairly small - 0.1% to get to 100% of the
articles included in the systematic review.  The GS search yielded
36,630 articles which included the 36 in the systematic review!  That's
a lot of screening to find the relevant articles.

So the bottom line is that for this study during this timeframe, GS did
include all the articles.  The problem remains finding them in a timely
and efficient manner.



Connie Schardt
Associate Director for Research & Education Medical Center Library Duke
University DUMC 3702
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Durham, NC 27710
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919-660-1188 (fax)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Linda Schwartz
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 6:58 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Just use Google Scholar for sytematic reviews

Is the coverage of google scholar enough to be used alone for systematic
reviews?
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1472-6947-13-7.pdf

I have my own thoughts about the conclusions of this study but will
allow everyone to read it before commenting.



Linda Matula Schwartz, MDE, AHIP
Director, Library Services
Lehigh Valley Health Network
1200 S. Cedar Crest Blvd.
Allentown, PA 18105
610-402-5290

Libraries are about service - not books. Information where & when you
want it with librarians as professional guides.

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