We're hosting a tech conference at SBHS on May 6th, 2005 that will address the items you listed and some others as well. The conference has helped people gather support resources and provide good leads to by coffee and advil in bulk. Got to keep those organs nice and leathery. Conference menu was just posted at: http://district.sbschools.net/dns/archives/spring_tech_05.htm Registration is not up yet, but will be soon. We'll post a note when it up. Adam Adam Provost DNS, SBSD http://district.sbschools.net/dns >>> [log in to unmask] 3/25/2005 10:46:25 AM >>> I am including the message from Bill Romond and comments from Lucie deLaBruere as part of this request...... The topic of open/closed networks and issues would be very informative and enlightening and I look forward to listening to colleagues approaches and solutions......... That being said....... here is my request plea to the IT list folks..... Given the increased network admin, security, demands ( ie the inordinate amount of time devoted to updating, patches, malware, deciphering firewall logs for potential attacks and port scans and mysterious packet traffic) and the fact that there are many smaller schools with single tech support spread thin between pipes and wires and integration support.... I feel I am not alone in wanting professional development opportunities this summer, to sharpen my skills and get a running start on next year for getting a handle on overseeing my internet traffic, keeping multiple security threats at bay, effectively managing windows security issues at the desktop level, learning about strategies and techniques that are working at other schools. If people know of trainings/programs/summer offerings to recommend - I would be very appreciative--- beyond that is there a way to self design a summer session 3-5 days- maybe different locations to see different setups.... to share knowledge and strategies.......a tech coodinators' syposium seminar ( not for geeks only) to impart practical know how and problem solving capability. and to Bill R.... is this the kind of defined pd need that could be coordinated through doe/IId funding???? On Mar 14, 2005, at 9:33 AM, Bill Romond wrote: I've been interested in the discussion about this upcoming conference agenda. I find the point about the "conflicts" between users needs/interests and the security/safety issues that network admins and others need to deal with to be very interesting. I'm observing more and more conflict out in the field about this because, on the one side, there are more teachers with more skill, and they are pushing systems to be more open and accessible. There is also more and faster access, and a student population that can do more on their home systems (in many cases) than at school... so they bring pressure as well. On the other side there are more requirements being laid on network adminstrators to keep neworks safe and secure, more emphasis in this area (i-Safe focuses attention), and more examples of problems. So I think a session along these lines would be great to have at your conference... you know, a "Whose Network is This, Anyway?" kind of thing. And to have that conversation ho! sted by the tech community would be excellent. Just my two cents.... Bill Romond Educational Technology Coordinator Vermont Department of Education 120 State Street Montpelier, VT 05620-2501 (802) 828-0064 (V) (802) 828-3140 (F) http://www.state.vt.us/educ/new/html/pgm_edtech.html [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: School Information Technology Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Adam Provost Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:01 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Tech Conference Tech Conference at South Burlignton High School: May 6th, 2005. - We're still tinkering on the agenda. - We'll post a web site with info and preregistration info once the agenda is set. Next Pizza meeting TBD. We have reserved pizza for 5/6 for about 100 already and taken samples from competing vendors. One of the topics, and a very interesting one, was proposed by Lucie deLaBruere from North Country Career Center . Hello Lucie from NC, you're on the air: <<< Note from Lucie: 3/1/2005 6:20:13 PM " If you do decide to take this one on; it might be good to have a couple of panelist who are pioneer educators along with panelist who are from TECH department who feel they have found solutions that meet the needs of both educators and technicians. DEFINING THE PROBLEM(s) Open Networks Cause Problems for Network Administrators: . Users change settings, tinker with files and data, load new programs, and do other actions in ways that cause problems that are very hard (and time consuming) to diagnose and fix. . Users load programs from disk, or download from the web, or open email, in ways that introduce viruses that cause enormous damage. . Some users (both from within and from outside) try to hack our system either to cause specific damage (e.g. change grades) or just for fun. . The more freedom teachers (much less students) have to configure their own machines, the harder it is for central staff to diagnose problems and the longer it takes to fix things, and therefore the larger the needed tech. support staff or the longer that teachers have to wait before their problems get addressed. However, Imposing "Control Technologies" also Causes Problems for Teachers and Students: . Firewalls and filters can prevent staff and students from accessing on-line tools or information they need. . Desktop lock-down prevents teachers from trying new software. . The technology pioneers are the ones who pave the way for others to follow; if they are restricted, the whole district's ability to move forward will be impaired . Teachers don't always have the luxury of planning ahead: the "teachable moment" often requires a "right now" need to find a Web site or to load some software or adjust a student's desktop; there is no time to wait for the network staff to get around to setting things up. . The chance to explore and experiment is what allows teachers and students to move from beginner to advanced, a must if districts want to move forward in implementing Good Models of Teaching with Technology " Best practices type of thing. Best debate type of thing. How is this question being addressed around various shops ? Forcing network to open up, forcing educators to plan, forcing a meeting place for creative and dynamic education practices and still keeping some sense of network reliability and security. This is a hot topic around the country, not just in VT. Gasp ! Educators and techies in the same space ! Craig (Lyndes) just turned around somewhere as if someone were speaking to him I'd bet. Peekaboo. A discussion of this nature is very likely overdue. Could this even mean merging two listservs (school-it and schoolnet) ? So speak up all you IT Tech Directors and Techies. Be thee not ashamed to voice opinions on this subject, other potential mergings, and toppings of choice. Speak now on this and other topics listed below if so inclined kind people or fear that the sessions may be up for us to decide: www.batmanbegins.com Consider the matter stirred and let the crickets pause to chat. Let the healing begin, Adam Adam Provost Bay City Rockers, SBSD http://district.sbschools.net/dns This email may contain information protected under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) or the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). 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