This is what I said yesterday to one of  Ovid Tech Support rep - sooner al later we'll figure out how to use the new interface, but for our once a week/month users, the screen is too complicated - they will go back to PubMed because is fast and easy.

Vislava
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Subject: Re: anyone had a crack at the new OVID interface?

I have signed up for a workshop because as a librarian, I am interested in what's happening behind the scenes.  However, a typical user wants relevant results quickly and if we're having trouble using this basic tab function and need training on it, it sort of defeats its goal or purpose, in my opinion.  


Risa

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Subject: Re: anyone had a crack at the new OVID interface?


Folks--Ovid is offering web-based workshops on the new interface.  (I've signed up for the one on November 8th.)  I'm hoping a lot of these questions about how the new interface "works" and the advantages/disadvantages of various search methods will be covered.  If not, I plan to ask.  I'm confident experienced searchers won't need much instruction on "where they've hidden" various features of Ovid that we're used to using but WILL want to know how we can use their new interface to quickly find the results we need--quick and "dirty", or everything there ever was, or everything with subheadings, or combinations.  Ovid has always prided itself on its interface and I'm sure they've got various "tricks" embedded in the new interface that we as the "expert searchers" will need to know.  

The new natural language searching feature with the Basic Tab is the most revolutionary development of the new search interface.  For our customers with minimal search skills or little time it might be a very useful tool.  What we, as the experts, need to discover is what are its flaws, how does it "translate" into MESH and all its highways and byways, what will it retrieve and what will it miss.

What we, as customers, have to ask Ovid for is a workshop that will get us up to speed on these questions fundamental to effective use of the new interface.  If you haven't signed up for one of Ovid's web-based workshops you should contact your Ovid representative about doing so.  The potential of the new interface is there if we learn to use it effectively. Joy 

Joy Kennedy, MLS
Northwest Community Hospital
Health Resource Library
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> 
> 
> We got the following note from our sales rep but even when I 
> tried typing in a complete question via the Google way, I 
> came up with the same set of results as I did when I typed in 
> pulmonary lymphoma by itself.
> 
> ·         Please note- only do Ovid syntax searching in the 
> Ovid Syntax tab. 
> 
> ·         The "Basic Tab" is for Natural language searching 
> only.  Type in a full question in this tab, don't try to use syntax.  
> 
> ·         Also it is best not to do one word searches in the 
> Basic Tab either- Single word searches are best done under 
> Search Tools.
>  
> 
> Just some hints as you have had no training but it will get 
> you more relevant results, especially out of the Basic tab.  
> The more flowery words in the basic tab the better.  Just 
> type in questions (within reason).  Complicated searches 
> should always be done in Ovid Syntax.
> 
> Risa
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> Subject: Re: anyone had a crack at the new OVID interface?
> 
> 
> Is there any documentation for this beast telling us what it 
> is supposed
> to be doing so we can tell if it is behaving properly?? 
> 
> Mary
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> Subject: Re: [MEDLIB-L] anyone had a crack at the new OVID interface?
> 
> Layla,
> That is my frustration.  I have no idea what the system is 
> doing and how
> it is searching to come up with its results.  When I did a keyword
> search in old Ovid for asthma I got 96,896 results but in OvidSP
> searching the basic interface I only got 1,720 or 1,721 if I click
> related terms.  Asthma as a MeSH term yields 80,614 results.  
> That means
> we are missing or not retrieving approximately 78,000 
> articles.  Why?!  
> Why are those 1,700 asthma articles the only ones coming up?  Are they
> articles that really really really have to do with asthma, as 
> opposed to
> the 78,000 others (who contain the MeSH term) just sorta have 
> to do with
> Asthma?
> 
> Michelle
> 
> Michelle Kraft, MLS, AHIP
> Medical Librarian
> South Pointe Medical Library
> 20000 Harvard Rd.
> Warrensville Heights, OH 44122
> (216) 491-7454
> 
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> Subject: Re: anyone had a crack at the new OVID interface?
> 
> Regarding Risa's search for imaging and pulmonary lymphoma: 
> 
> In a similar vein, what we have found (although we don't know why) is
> that the following searches will pull different articles:
> 
> Search phrase - with related terms
> Search phrase - without related terms
> "search phrase".mp (which you can use in the basic search
> field) 
> 
> What really puzzles us is that "Search phrase - with related terms" is
> often *smaller* than "Search phrase - without related terms"
> 
> See, for example: 
> 
> 1) computed tomography {No Related Terms} - 900
> 2) computed tomography {Including Related Terms} - 520
> 3) computed tomography.mp. - 75948
> 
> 1 or 2 and "pulmonary lymphoma {Including Related Terms}" 
> will get you 0
> results, but 3 and pulmonary lymphoma {Including Related 
> Terms} nets you
> 27 results, one of which is the Ooi article ("Computed tomography
> features of primary pulmonary non-Hodgkin's lymphoma").  Likewise,
> combining "pulmonary lymphoma {Including Related Terms}" and 
> imaging.mp
> will pull 27 articles, one of which is your Lee article ("Imaging of
> pulmonary lymphomas").
> 
> Layla 
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