Hi Bjorn, Thanks for the followup. I still wonder, though, and maybe you can answer this: If I currently have primary domain foo.org and domain alias bar.org, can I delete bar.org and then re-add it as a secondary domain, WITHOUT breaking the existing "automatically receive email at either [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]"? OR, would I have to go through and change the primary email address setting for all the users who prefer to use their bar.org address? I need them to still be able to receive email at either "version" of their email address. I hope I am asking this clearly. Thank you, -- MB On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Bjorn Behrendt <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Good description. A while back they added the feature so that a user > could be part of a secondary domain instead of alias. > > Alias: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] are the same email address. You > can add nicknames also, so that [log in to unmask] is also my email address. > Second Domain: [log in to unmask] is a completly differnt account then > [log in to unmask] but are both managed by one GAFE database. > > When you add a domain or domain alias you get this screen. > [image: Google Apps - Google Chrome_2012-02-02_09-16-19.png] > > > > > > As for your issue with the login. Not sure what does it but many of my > users keep getting redirected to the ordinary gmail log in screen. Many > have figured out that you can log in through this screen by typing in the > full email address in the user field. For your situation you may want to > just send people to the generic login and tell them to type their full > email address. This would save you from having two sets of login links. > > > *Bjorn Behrendt ~ Never Stop Learning* > * [log in to unmask] | (802) 772-0003* > * > Google Apps For Education Certified Trainer > Services: Webdesign, Consulting, Training via WebEx > * > * Follow me: Google+ > | Twitter | Facebook | > Android App | Chrome App > | Newsletter * > *My Sites* > ~ Google-Weekly.net ~ Podcast ~Episode 14 ~ > Back to Basics and TOS (1/31/2012) > ~ AskBj.net ~ Online Training and Ed Tech Resources ~ Jan 2012 Newsletter > > *Join me:* Feb 6th at 3:15est for the first GWPodcast Google Hangout: More > Info > > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Marion Bates <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> Hi Elizabeth, >> >> I did some fooling around yesterday, so I'll share what I learned in case >> it's helpful to anyone. >> >> Since I still don't know the answer re: domain aliases, I registered a >> new domain altogether to play with. Then I went to the domain settings -> >> domain names page and clicked "Add a domain alias or domain." Then I chose >> "Add another domain" and typed it in. That's when I hit the first snag -- >> it said "multiple domains are not supported with Postini." >> >> Our background with Postini: Didn't enable it when we first set up GAE, >> then added it later when it was still free (not archiving, just message >> security). Changed MX records and all that. Then, at the beginning of this >> month, as per their email notifications, Google swallowed that basic >> functionality and migrated it into the main apps admin panel (thank >> goodness!) so we switched MX records back and were effectively done with >> Postini. But, it was still showing up in the admin dashboard, and whenever >> I tried to click a link to its settings page to disable it, it would just >> return me to the dashboard. Turns out this is a known issue, and when I >> reported it to Google Support yesterday, they had an engineer fix it for me >> (in under two hours!) and then I was able to proceed with the >> adding-a-domain process. >> >> So: Now, if I pull up a user and click "rename user", it has that option >> that Rob's had: >> >> [image: change-primary.png] >> >> Woot! So I did this for Mr. Guest here, then went to the main/generic >> google.com site and clicked Log In; entered the newly-defined email >> address; and, I'm in! >> >> HOWEVER. If I go to a login page within our organization, e.g. >> >> [image: our-login.png] >> >> then, George can't log in. Which makes sense since it shows right there >> that it implies the primary domain, "@[log in to unmask]". (I >> tried it with and without the @[log in to unmask] portion just in case, but >> no dice.) If, however, I manually change the URL from >> >> >> https://www.google.com/a/hanovernorwichschools.org/LoginAction2?service=mail >> >> to >> >> https://www.google.com/a/*rayhanover.org*/LoginAction2?service=mail >> >> then, voila: >> >> [image: our-other-login.png] >> >> And George CAN log in there. >> >> So that's a snag, since users are likely to encounter the previous >> "version" of the login during their travels (like if they begin at our >> Start page, as they've all been told to do.) Sigh. I'm not sure what to do >> about that. Make a second start page for our little kids perhaps (since the >> original goal of this whole adventure was to make less typing for >> youngsters logging in.) >> >> Regarding doing it globally -- Rob had said that he had to do it >> one-by-one. But, gam can do it: >> http://code.google.com/p/google-apps-manager/wiki/ExamplesMultiDomainand scroll down to "Moving Users between Domains." So you could script it >> to do a bunch of users. :) FYI I use gam on a Mac running Snow Leopard >> and it works swimmingly, once you do the up-front OAuth magic. The >> documentation is pretty awesome. >> >> Ah, and that page led me to this: >> http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=182081 List of >> limitations of multi-domain support. It mentions the thing I just >> documented above: >> >> - *Custom URLs for accessing Google Apps are available only for the >> primary domain.* The Control Panel enables the administrator to set a >> custom URL for various services. The custom URL applies only for users accessing the >> services at the primary domain. The same limitation applies to custom >> web address mappingfor a Google Site. >> >> - *You cannot create a global URL for accessing Google Apps.* Users >> access Google Apps with a URL that includes the domain name from their >> email address, for example http://docs.google.com/a/subsidiaryA.com. >> You cannot provide a global URL that users from all domains share. >> >> Well, OK then! >> >> Hope this helps. I still want to know about changing domain aliases into >> secondary domains, but I have a better sense of the whole picture so can >> probably find the answer if I dig a bit deeper. >> >> Thanks all, >> >> -- MB >> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Elizabeth McCarthy <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >>> We are dealing with the very same issue, so thanks for putting this out. >>> When you noted “And he can, on a per-user basis, set them up to be able >>> to sign in as [log in to unmask]” does that mean there is no way >>> to do this globally? I was under the impression that the only way to change >>> a domain name is to migrate your GAE to a whole new GAE domain, as the >>> alais doesn’t really help with the long sign-in problem. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* School Information Technology Discussion [mailto: >>> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Marion Bates >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:45 AM >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Google Apps -- change domain alias into secondary domain?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Hi,**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I want to do something in GAFE and I don't know how to ask the question, >>> so I apologize for the long-windedness of this. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Right now, we have several domain aliases for our primary domain, >>> hanovernorwichschools.org. [log in to unmask] can also >>> receive email sent to [log in to unmask], or [log in to unmask], >>> etc. However, she can only *sign in* to Google services using the whole >>> [log in to unmask] "version" of herself, because >>> that's the canonical domain under which the Apps installation was created. >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Here's what the email settings portion of my admin panel looks like >>> right now:**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> [image: now-email-settings.png]**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> And here's what my domain names tab looks like:**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> [image: now-domain-aliases.png]**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Recently I learned from Mr. Gervais that it is possible to make it so >>> that users can log in with a different username/email address. Again, >>> pictures are easier than words; his GApps admin panel looks like this >>> (sanitized): **** >>> >>> [image: wanted-email-settings.jpg]**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> And he can, on a per-user basis, set them up to be able to sign in as >>> [log in to unmask]:**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> [image: wanted-choose-primary.png] >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> That popup menu for choosing "Primary email address" is what I want to >>> have, so that our youngsters don't have to type a mile-long domain name to >>> log in. If I want to accomplish this with one of my existing domains, say, >>> sau70.org, can/should I delete it from being a domain alias, and re-add >>> it via "add a domain"? Is that how I get to where I want to be? **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Apologies if this has been asked and answered on the list; I did search >>> the archives for various phrases like "google secondary domain" etc. but I >>> don't really know what terminology to use since I'm not sure what I'm even >>> asking!**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thank you,**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> -- MB**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> -- >>> Marion Bates, District Technology Supervisor >>> School Administrative Unit 70 >>> Hanover, NH | Norwich, VT >>> Office: (603) 643-3431 x2714 >>> http://www.sau70.org/**** >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Marion Bates, District Technology Supervisor >> School Administrative Unit 70 >> Hanover, NH | Norwich, VT >> Office: (603) 643-3431 x2714 >> http://www.sau70.org/ >> > > -- Marion Bates, District Technology Supervisor School Administrative Unit 70 Hanover, NH | Norwich, VT Office: (603) 643-3431 x2714 http://www.sau70.org/