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California Gathering

Kathi — Fri, 17 May 2013 18:57:32 -0700

Just a reminder

CALIFORNIA ENGLISH SHEPHERD CLUB GATHERING

SUNDAY, MAY 26TH 2013 11AM

(MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND)

Where: Pico Ranch, Morgan Hill CA. (map will be sent when you RSVP)

Please RSVP to: Ktesarz@yahoo.com or 408-644-6294 (then I will send you a
map)

Activities include

Herding, Nosework Seminar, Ranch Agility Course, Lots of socializing

Shared Dinner

We will be providing the main dish, please bring a dish to share. Remember
to bring drinks including water, it could be pretty warm!! [...]

Re: Sleepy Malcolm

Sue — Mon, 6 May 2013 20:49:48 -0400

> Let's Hope!.... and of course that is the reason why I keep posting
> photos!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Ohhh, so this is the CollieMatch.com site !

Sue
I catch on sooner or later ;-)

Re: Sleepy Malcolm

Thomas Vilardi — Mon, 6 May 2013 14:31:59 -0400

Gotta find him a nice non-overbred Collie girl.

We're in Northern NJ, but in New England and PA regularly. And now probably a trip or two through OH and MI with dog in tow (family out there).

He's 6 now - so age issues are on our minds.

Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 11:26:45 -0700
From: lolund@CASCO.NET
Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] Sleepy Malcolm
To: FARMCOLLIE@LIST.UVM.EDU [...]

Re: Sleepy Malcolm

Lois Olund — Mon, 6 May 2013 11:26:45 -0700

Put me in for a female puppy ; ) I might be ready by then!
Lois in Oregon

On May 6, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Thomas Vilardi wrote:

> Let's Hope!.... and of course that is the reason why I keep posting photos!
>
> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 07:57:45 -0400
> From: bonniemac289@COMCAST.NET
> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] Sleepy Malcolm
> To: FARMCOLLIE@LIST.UVM.EDU
>
> I think he's dreaming a being a Daddy to lots of puppies just like him.
>
> Sue
> Dozing in the Spring air earlier this afternoon.
>
>

Re: Sleepy Malcolm

Thomas Vilardi — Mon, 6 May 2013 14:25:24 -0400

Let's Hope!.... and of course that is the reason why I keep posting photos!

Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 07:57:45 -0400
From: bonniemac289@COMCAST.NET
Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] Sleepy Malcolm
To: FARMCOLLIE@LIST.UVM.EDU

I think he's dreaming a being a Daddy to lots of puppies just like him.

Sue

Dozing in the Spring air earlier this afternoon.

Re: Sleepy Malcolm

Sue — Mon, 6 May 2013 07:57:45 -0400

I think he's dreaming a being a Daddy to lots of puppies just like him.

Sue
> Dozing in the Spring air earlier this afternoon.

Re: Another Malcolm Photo

Rini — Sun, 5 May 2013 18:34:18 -0400

He is a handsome boy!

Rini

Had to share - family over this weekend - Sister-in-law took this shot

Another Malcolm Photo

Thomas Vilardi — Sun, 5 May 2013 18:17:22 -0400

Had to share - family over this weekend - Sister-in-law took this shot of him in the Gazebo and thought he looked cute!

Sleepy Malcolm

Thomas Vilardi — Sun, 5 May 2013 18:19:01 -0400

Dozing in the Spring air earlier this afternoon.

Re: Another Jabari brag story

M.L. Church — Sun, 5 May 2013 09:06:43 -0700

Good boy Jabari!

ML

Re: Another Jabari brag story

jan hilborn — Sat, 4 May 2013 21:10:53 -0400

I love your stories Tamara and you summed up so well how a good working dog has to be fine with routine but ready for unexpected events.

On May 4, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Tamara Rousso wrote:

> When you think about it what we expect of a good working dog is so different from a well trained dog. Our days go by without much variation for the most part. Day after day they walk the same path, do the same things, and perform like any other well trained dog. And then, bam! The routine is upset. A different response [...]

Re: Another Jabari brag story

Rini — Sat, 4 May 2013 17:21:08 -0400

Good boy, Jabari!

Rini

Re: Another Jabari brag story

Dotty Harala — Sat, 4 May 2013 13:31:31 -0700

Tamara, i never get tired of Jabari stories. That was awesome.
Dotty
>I hope you aren't getting tired of my Jabari brag stories, but it is
>so wonderful to have such a good helper around the farm.

Re: Another Jabari brag story

Jennifer WhiteWolf Crock — Sat, 4 May 2013 12:54:42 -0700

I never tire of stores about dogs that do good deeds... Nice to hear
that Jabari is doing well...It was fun to meet him at last years NW
farmcollie gathering.
Jennifer

On 05/04/2013 09:26 AM, Tamara Rousso wrote:
> I hope you aren't getting tired of my Jabari brag stories, but it is so wonderful to have such a good helper around the farm. There aren't many people who can appreciate and understand what that means. You kind of have to live the day to day life to really get what a difference a good working dog makes. When you [...]

Another Jabari brag story

Tamara Rousso — Sat, 4 May 2013 09:26:52 -0700

I hope you aren't getting tired of my Jabari brag stories, but it is so wonderful to have such a good helper around the farm. There aren't many people who can appreciate and understand what that means. You kind of have to live the day to day life to really get what a difference a good working dog makes. When you think about it what we expect of a good working dog is so different from a well trained dog. Our days go by without much variation for the most part. Day after day they walk the same path, do [...]

Re: Sighthound blood added to the collie breed

jana lashmit — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:01:06 -0700

Aw, little Pogo! That would be a cute name. I saw a BIG sheltie last weekend. He was 50#, which is 5# heavier than my dog, and they were the same height. Even so, they had a different build (she's longer, he was more square) and different heads - Ruby is small, but she doesn't look like a sheltie to anyone who knows what a sheltie ought to look like. Jana Funny you should mention that. In the late 1950s we had neighbors who bred show Shelties and I got to play with the puppies of one litter, to [...]

Re: Sighthound blood added to the collie breed

jana lashmit — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:56:12 -0700

Some older books mention deerhound as a possible addition to the early (not show) collie gene pool. This might have been the result of breeding for lurchers - a cross still in existance today. Lurchers were part sighthound, part collie; bred to be fast, intelligent, silent hunters. One book on borzoi mentions that collies were added into the breed to improve coats - this would have been during the Victorian era, when a lot of breeds changed for/by the show fancy. It's not unthinkable that some of the "impure" dogs could have been used in both the borzoi and collie [...]

Re: Sighthound/Collies

Barbara Hollands — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:03:56 -0700

Just jumping in for a second. I showed collies in the 60-80s. The breeders had already started in the 60s with all kinds of extremes with eyes, coat, and heads. And the idea of caring about any kind of working temperament was just too, too lower class. Who cared as long as you won in the ring? The normal eyes tended to be bigger and that was offensive. What people forgot was that the standard called for a lovely almond eye and the look of eagles. They went for the nasty look of eagles with small eyes and didn't understand what was meant was [...]

Re: Sighthound blood added to the collie breed

Annie Prokop — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:50:55 -0700

I groom dogs and most of the Shelties we see are way over sized -up to 45 pounds.

I do think that the Rough and Smooth Collies have Borzoi in them because 18 Borzoi were give to Queen Victoria by the Czar of Russia. The legend goes that some
of the males leaped the fences and bred with her Collies. But so what if they did?
If you read about the Borzoi they came about as a deliberate cross between the Persian Greyhound (Saluki) and a herding breed from Russia that was supposed to look very much like a [...]

Re: Sighthound/Collies

Elaine Diedrich — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:11:16 -0800

Personally I rather like borzoi, especially the gentle and elegant
energy they exude. Something my Luna has in spades when at rest, but she
is all working dog when given a job. I see this combination in other
rough collies, not so much the ES type dogs. I don't care how it came
about, just love living with them. [...]

Re: Sighthound blood added to the collie breed

Rini — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:30:13 -0400

For instance collie blood was added to
> the Shetland sheepdog breed ("quietly") to the point where all shelties in
> this country contain 30% to 50% collie genes.

Funny you should mention that. In the late 1950s we had neighbors who bred
show Shelties and I got to play with the puppies of one litter, to my great
delight. They offered to sell me one of the pups because it was too big for
show standards. He was a lot bigger than his siblings. [...]

Sighthound/Collies

Marci Sudlow — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:27:38 -0400

I should mention that the reason that collie breeders in the 1980s bred for
tiny eyes was a misinterpretation of the phrase within the breed standard
that persists to this day which calls for large, round, prominent eyes to
heavily faulted. This listed fault dates back to the days when sighthound
eye qualities would crop up in collies of that by-gone era, much like the
Irish setter red coloring. Just one more testimonial to the presence of
borzoi blood in the AKC collie.

Re: Sighthound blood added to the collie breed

Tonya — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:20:55 -0700

Since we are talking about opinion
It is my opinion that the borzoi addition is not true

There is no proof that it happened just speculation.

And all because someone is trying to show where the long nose came from.

Here's an example of genetics that I have done. Lassen has a short nose
Rainer has a long nose. [...]

Sighthound blood added to the collie breed

Marci Sudlow — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:44:27 -0400

It is my definite belief that borzoi blood was added to the collie breed
during the Victorian era. I have no opinion as to whether or not the Queen
actually had a hand in these crosses. However the dramatic change in the
appearance of show collies of that era seems too sudden to have resulted
from the slower painstaking methods of breeding within the existing collie
gene pool. [...]

Re: Malcolm

Laura Sanborn — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:30:50 -0700

Maybe these crosses weren't done by Queen Victoria, but crosses of collie type dogs and sighthounds were (and still are) sufficiently common that they have their own name -- lurcher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurcher

More discussion about borzoi crosses into the standardized Collie breed, from Linda Rorem

Laura Sanborn

On Apr 27, 2013, at 8:40 PM, jan wrote: [...]

Re: Malcolm

Jennifer WhiteWolf Crock — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:47:21 -0700

Very fascinating!!!! I just love it when a subject comes up and flood
of new [ to me ] information gets shared!!! This the idea of the
Internet working at its best...when we can share and learn. I had not
done much research since the 2001, 2002 period and back then there was a
lot less on the web, I had to rely a great deal on collections of very
old magazines from the teens, 20s and 30s, a few from my own collection
and many from other private and library collections... It sure is good
that more and more [...]

Re: Allergic reactions in dogs

Matthew Dunnyveg — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:43:16 -0700

ML, first off, there is a rattlesnake vaccine, and I cannot recommend too strongly that people get this vaccination for their dogs--at least if rattlers might be an issue. I know from experience; I had a black lab get bitten in the torso, near her heart, and the vet said it was almost miraculous that she lived. Not only was the experience terribly traumatic for my poor dog, but it cost me well over a thousand dollars in vet bills. As far as more generalized allergies go, my vet recommended Benadryl for allergies and bites, though I've never had to [...]

Allergic reactions in dogs

M.L. Church — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:50:34 -0700

I'm looking for information, all thoughts are welcome. I've never seen this happen before. Yesterday, a neighbor called me for help. They adopted two dogs about 3 years ago, bro & sis black lab mixes. The male dog was apparently bitten by something (wasp, bee, snake?) about noon. He became disoriented and sick, crawled under Beth's truck. She tried to get him out and was bitten severely - her partner took her to emergency for stitches. When they returned, about 5 p.m., the dog was worse - shaky, drooling, diarrhea. They couldn't calm him enough to get him [...]

Re: Malcolm

Tonya — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:09:49 -0700

Oh dear I sent it early
Here is the link
And a bonus link on Northumbrian collies
http://www.oldtimefarmshepherd.org/current-collie-articles/queen-victorias-collies/

http://www.oldtimefarmshepherd.org/current-collie-articles/northumbrian-collies/
Tonya ;p

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 28, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Jennifer WhiteWolf Crock wrote:

> I remember reading in some of the old journals printed in the 1920s and 1930s that the long nose, narrow body, and svelt build that we see today on the AKC type of Collie started to show up soon after the Queen had her cousin come to visit,....a visit which lasted a few years, not a few weeks. The cousin was said [...]

Re: Malcolm

Tonya — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:05:50 -0700

Here a is a link about the queens collies

As Jan said there is no evidence to prove the borzoi rumor. It is just that a rumor.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 28, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Jennifer WhiteWolf Crock wrote:

> I remember reading in some of the old journals printed in the 1920s and 1930s that the long nose, narrow body, and svelt build that we see today on the AKC type of Collie started to show up soon after the Queen had her cousin come to visit,....a visit which lasted a few years, not a [...]

Re: Malcolm

Kathi — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 16:11:17 -0700

What you need is a genetic problem such as the Ivermectin sensitivity that shows up in Borsoi and ruff collies. That is how they proved the cross of sheltie in the silken wind hound.

Kathi Tesarz

National English shepherd Rescue

ktesarz@tesarzservices.com

www.nesr.info

"It's not what you gather, but what you scatter that tells what kind of life you have lived." Helen Walton [...]

Re: Malcolm

Jennifer WhiteWolf Crock — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:46:15 -0700

I remember reading in some of the old journals printed in the 1920s and
1930s that the long nose, narrow body, and svelt build that we see today
on the AKC type of Collie started to show up soon after the Queen had
her cousin come to visit,....a visit which lasted a few years, not a few
weeks. The cousin was said to have brought Borsoi from St.Petersburg
with her...several of them. Even if there is no proof of such a cross
in documentation, the time, place, and circumstance are all pointing at
the likelyhood that these dogs cross bred. [...]

Re: Malcolm

Rini — Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:53:36 -0400

Ah. Thanks, Jan. :)

Rini

There's absolutely no documentation of such a breeding. She had a number of collies, the early ones were B&T ESy dogs, later ones more Collie-like. But she didn't breed dogs she acquired them. If borzoi was added in it was by others with their own collies and there is no proof of any sort it ever happened. Keep in mind, early pedigrees were very scant and likely looking dogs were added to the stud book without known pedigree so anything is possible. But personally I think the horrible modern nose was done through selection and [...]

Re: Malcolm

jan — Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:40:17 -0400

There's absolutely no documentation of such a breeding. She had a number of collies, the early ones were B&T ESy dogs, later ones more Collie-like. But she didn't breed dogs she acquired them. If borzoi was added in it was by others with their own collies and there is no proof of any sort it ever happened. Keep in mind, early pedigrees were very scant and likely looking dogs were added to the stud book without known pedigree so anything is possible. But personally I think the horrible modern nose was done through selection and not out crossing. [...]

Re: Malcolm

Rini — Sat, 27 Apr 2013 22:52:50 -0400

...rumours of Borzoi blood being added in are probably false or at least greatly exagerated...

So the story about Queen Victoria bringing home two collies from Scotland and then breeding them to her Russian Tsar cousin's Borzois isn't true?

Re: Malcolm

jan hilborn — Sat, 27 Apr 2013 21:50:01 -0400

Hi Matthew -

"Old Fashioned" probably means different things to different people but for me it's a dog that is recognizably Collie (and I use a capital letter to designate the Collie breed and not the collie landrace) but does not look "modern" - pretty much anything after Squire of Tyton is too modern for me (but I'm an English Shepherd person so I tend to skew toward the very early land race collies who are more ESy and less Collie...). As the Collie breed was created and "perfected" by show dog people they increased size (early collies were well [...]

Re: Fw: Malcolm

Thomas Vilardi — Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:25:19 -0400

Rod, Profile picture really is strikingly similar! We're pretty good with the grooming, but here is a photo (about 3 years ago) of him with a little rougher coat. Photo angle and longer hear makes him look smaller in my opinion here.

Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:17:58 -0400
From: west@GMAVT.NET
Subject: [FARMCOLLIE] Fw: Malcolm
To: FARMCOLLIE@LIST.UVM.EDU [...]

Fw: Malcolm

Rod West — Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:17:58 -0400

Malcolm's picture really hit me. He looks so much like my Alec who passed away a year ago, and was Lois's Tessa's littermate. Due to his strong Aussie heritage, Al was born with the bobtail. The great thing about being born that way (rather than clipped), is it was fully expressive, including turning into a pom-pom whenever he got riled. He had a bit more coat than Malcolm, but the markings are strikingly similar. Alec even had similar spots on his nose, but they were very muted. [...]

Re: Malcolm

Matthew Dunnyveg — Sat, 27 Apr 2013 05:58:48 -0700

At the risk of sounding impertinent or ignorant, I gather from this thread that Malcolm is an "old-fashioned" collie. Could somebody tell me exactly what this means? Does this mean that Malcolm resembles the original breeding stock from which modern collie varieties were produced? If so, which varieties? Or does this designation mean something else? The reason I'm asking is that I'm the proud owner of a six-month-old border collie, I'm intrigued, and am trying to learn as much as I can. ________________________________ From: jan hilborn To: FARMCOLLIE@LIST.UVM.EDU Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] Malcolm [...]

Re: Malcolm

Lois Olund — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:59:59 -0700

Jan, et al.
That is exactly what I was thinking! He looks a lot like Laura's dogs. I lost my Tessa, (from Laura) last November at age 13. She was the BEST dog I've ever had.
Any idea if Trixie might be related to Laura's dogs? I'd take another in a heartbeat!
Lois in Oregon [...]

Re: Malcolm

jan hilborn — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:44:34 -0400

I find Malcolm very intriging. He really looks like a purebred Collie but he is so old fashioned.
He is more moderate than any purebred collie I've seen in nearly 20 years. He could be an outcross to Aussie's like Laura Lee's farm collies he's retained nothing noticeable of the the other breed. Maybe there is a little sheltie in the woodpile, they did stay old fashioned longer than collies. [...]

Re: Malcolm

M.L. Church — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:55:01 -0700

He's beautiful. Or handsome. I like the couch potatoe pic, reminds me of MacDuff at his finest. ML ________________________________ From: jan hilborn To: FARMCOLLIE@LIST.UVM.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [FARMCOLLIE] Malcolm I was contacted by a guy in NJ who has a gorgeous 7 year old old fashioned collie type dog named Malcolm. Malcolm's pedigree is unknown. He sure looks like an old fashioned collie but there may be something mixed in with the collie to get that old fashioned look. He sure is handsome though, no question about that. I was hoping Tom would introduce [...]

Re: Malcolm

Thomas Vilardi — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:46:29 -0400

I had a collie in NJ form 1968 to the early 80's - there were a few others too but that was about it.

Malcolm may have been born in Brooklyn NY with one family but then wound up in Iowa with another.

People from Iowa came back to NJ because they were being sponsored to go over to Israel (Orthadox Jewish - agrarian and meat processing backgrounds) couldn't take him with them. [...]

Re: Malcolm

Sue — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:29:01 -0400

My, he is beautiful !

Where did he ever find him in NJ ?!?

Collies were as scarce as hen's teeth in NJ when we found our RC 25
years ago.

Sue

Re: Malcolm

Thomas Vilardi — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:51:27 -0400

Hi Jan, and all:

Thanks for posting the picture of Malcolm. I am woefully deficient when it comes to the process of posting in groups, or email lists, etc. - so I appreciate your distribution of his photo.

Was emailing Lauri from Faraway Farm (copied here - now lives in NYC - so is close by to me) and in the process of chatting, discovered a 1 1/2 year old Farm Collie (from a litter in West Virginia - Tricolor - named Trixie) that had gone to Canada, but family circumstances (another child on the way) have her folks looking [...]

Re: Malcolm

Kathi — Thu, 25 Apr 2013 21:26:32 -0700

Wow what a beautiful boy.

Kathi Tesarz
National English shepherd Rescue
ktesarz@tesarzservices.com
www.nesr.info
"It's not what you gather, but what you scatter that tells what kind of life
you have lived." Helen Walton

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Re: Malcolm

Rini — Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:24:43 -0400

I second that!

Rini

He IS gorgeous! :-)

Sherry in Monterey, TN
**with Duncan & Rowan

Re: Malcolm

JP F — Thu, 25 Apr 2013 21:23:34 -0500

He IS gorgeous! :-)

Sherry in Monterey, TN
**with Duncan & Rowan

Malcolm

jan hilborn — Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:17:49 -0400

I was contacted by a guy in NJ who has a gorgeous 7 year old old fashioned collie type dog named Malcolm. Malcolm's pedigree is unknown. He sure looks like an old fashioned collie but there may be something mixed in with the collie to get that old fashioned look. He sure is handsome though, no question about that. [...]

Re: what do you think of this lovely dog?

Natalia — Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:11:37 -0700

Rini, thank you for the input. This dog isn’t in a shelter; I gather his people are trying to find him a new home because the lady is no longer a stay at home mom and the dog isn’t happy to be alone in the house (isn’t naughty, but chews his bone so much as to wear his canines). Apparently he is not even fences and never roams. That is pretty amazing. Anyway the people advertised him and may be having second thoughts now. Grrrrr! [...]

Re: what do you think of this lovely dog?

M.L. Church — Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:40:09 -0700

Natalie, my Pepper was 3/4 McNab and 1/8 each BC and heeler. She was constantly mistaken for an aussie. Her hair was longer than a typical McNab's, and her markings were wild - basically black and white but with patches of tan and both red and black peppering. ML ________________________________ From: Rini To: FARMCOLLIE@LIST.UVM.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] what do you think of this lovely dog? My Strider was a AS/BC mix (I was trying to grow my own farm dog because I didn't know about ESs then) and he was an excellent farm [...]

Re: what do you think of this lovely dog?

Rini — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:30:07 -0400

My Strider was a AS/BC mix (I was trying to grow my own farm dog because I didn't know about ESs then) and he was an excellent farm dog. His only fault was he wouldn't stay home, and 4.5 years ago didn't come home from one trip. I still miss him. There wasn't a chain or a pen that could hold him. :(
That's not to say this dog is a cruiser, although that might be how he wound up in a shelter. Ask. I wish you the best. [...]

Re: what do you think of this lovely dog?

Natalia — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:15:43 -0700

Thank you so much, Judy. I wrote excitedly without researching first. ;) I checked out the FB McNab page that you recommended and I don’t see that look in this dog at all. I would have thought there would be some appearance of a combination but “Mike” looks all AS/BC to me, but I am no expert. I like that the McNabs are not as intense as the BC; of course, would love a Scotch Collie. [...]

Re: what do you think of this lovely dog?

Judy and Paul — Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:18:03 -0700

Hello Natalia,
The way this add is worded it would have you believing that a McNab is a Scottish border collie. A Scottish border collie would simply be a border collie from Scotland. A McNab is a stock dog developed in California. The original stock was from the Scottish collie 100 years ago.( A different animal from the popular border collie today but related) However , over the years other breeds have have probably contributed including more recently border collie. Just wanted you to know that a McNab is not just a smooth coated border collie as many people believe [...]

what do you think of this lovely dog?

Natalia — Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:25:53 -0700

We are in communication and I am very excited. What do you all think of him?

http://classifieds.castanet.net/details/australian_shepherd_cross_mcnab_sottish_border_collie/1591531/

A Scotch collie!?! So it says, right?

I have been on this list for years and this is the closest I have got to having a Farm Collie for real. Still not final though.

Natalia

Re: off topic - spring

Nancy Evans — Tue, 2 Apr 2013 05:43:38 -0400

Really lovely! Perfect! Thanks.
Nancy Evans

On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:14 PM, "M.L. Church" wrote:

> delete if you don't like poetry, but it makes me giggle every time I read this - poem and punctuation courtesy of ee cummings:
>
> when faces called flowers float out of the ground
>
> when faces called flowers float out of the ground
> and breathing is wishing and wishing is having-
> but keeping is downward and doubting and never
> -it’s april (yes,april;my darling) it’s spring!
> yes the pretty birds frolic as spry as can fly
[...]