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Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration <[log in to unmask]>
Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:19:09 -0500
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As for cow hocked dogs, I've read that many of the old collie dogs in
Britain had them and that it actually helped them to negotiate the hilly
country in their native land.

Good Shepherd Farm
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From: "jan" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] collie breeders etc

> At 9:30 PM -0700 7/14/05, Karen Clanin wrote:
>>purchased 2 bitches, one from a strong performance breeder, she's sweet,
>>was very well socialized but i can not stop her barking at things when
>>from home, she's also cow hocked, has a genetic kink in the tail, couple
>>missing teeth. eyes clear but would be a carrier. she's spayed.
> the original collies had a kink or a twist in the tail. It still shows up
> in ES at least but collie breeders worked to get rid of it. I think it is
> too bad that they did. It isn't structural and it was a distinct trait of
> the original landrace.
> As for cow hocks... they aren't pretty but I've read that structurally
> they
> aren't a problem. The prejudice against cowhocks came from the horse world
> where they are a problem The logic was "if it is wrong for horses it must
> be wrong for dogs" but that logic doesn't hold. Plus, a lot fo dogs who
> stand cowhocked move out just fine.
> A few years back I bought an adult ES bitch sight unseen from a farm Iowa.
> I wanted her pedigree and genes and probably would have considered
> breeding
> her almost no matter what. My heart just sunk when she came out of the
> crate at the airport, she was soooo cowhocked.
> I had a pretty sharp Vet tell me not to even bother OFAing or PennHIPing
> her because there was no way a dog that cowhocked could have decent hips.
> But  cowhocks or no cowhocks I really wanted her genes kept in the
> genepool
> (and she was the last known intact dogs from an old nearly lost line so it
> was her or no one). So I sent in her xrays and she came back Excellent
> from
> OFA and got the best PennHIP scores for the breed so far.
>        I only bred her once but none of her pups were cowhocked - they all
> have lovely structure. And none of their pups have been cowhocked. But she
> did a great job passing on her brains and extreme biddability.
>        I know collies have a much larger genepool than English Shepherds.
> But there is no such thing as a perfect dog.... I'd rather have a
> cowhocked
> dog with brains and solid working ability than a dog who looks perfect but
> not enough brains to follow a trail of biscuits out of dark box....
> jan