It is possible that it was an English collie also. I remember seeing what
the woman kept calling an English collie that she had gotten in England when
her husband was in the service. Very very different from our dogs. Still a
pup yet but very aloof ,not interested in a stranger. not frightened by all
the commotion at the event ,not any shyness. Just very regal. She was a
sable but I don't remember which exact color. It struck me at the time
because she insisted that it was an "English collie" like it was somehow
different from ours which I couldn't understand. Perhaps part of the sales
talk when they sell to Americans? Temperament was different however and it
was a lighter less heavily coated dog. It was about 20 years ago.
As far as the collies there used to be a type of sable that I didn't care
for that I would type as as clear sable-I think their kennel name was
Brandywine. There were two types of sable in collies- one had various shades
and one was just yellow. 40 years ago though... anyone have a copy of
Brandywine kennel owners book? Can't think of her name. It would be very
rare as it was a small printing at the time. Barbara Hollands
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From: jan <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: English Collie, Farm Collie???
> Hi Jenn -
> Did you get the pup with the mostly white coat? She was the one I
> was in love with, she looks so much like a different colored version of my
> Bonnie: http://www.uvm.edu/~jhilborn/dogs/mydogs/bonnie4mo.jpg
> The English Collie thing threw me too. A Guardian Breeds rescueer
> forwarded me the link for the three pups and I talked to the shelter.
> is no such thing as a "purebred English Collie" - there are collies, both
> Border and standard show type, from England but they aren't "English
> One of the things that struck me about these three pups was the
> color of their coats. It is what we in the English Shepherd world call
> "clear sable" - there were no black guard hairs on the sable. This is not
> collie color at all but it does show up in both Border Collies (fairly
> uncommon but it happens) and very commonly in English Shepherds.
> There is a breeder in northern Virginia who breeds clear sable
> English Shepherds. She breeds her poor female every heat and will sell her
> pups to anyone. Both of her English Shepherds are normally marked but both
> go back to lines where excessive white and blue eyes occur. I do not think
> these three pus were hers, the timing isn't quite right, but I really
> believe that your Chaos' mother was from this English Shepherd breeder.