Thanks Lisa! He will poop in front of people, he just can't make the distinction that it's OK outside and NOT OK inside. He'll squat and poop right in front of you (that's what he did to me once - only once!).

I will forward your response to them. As I haven't heard back from them, they might have already gotten a handle on it. I certainly hope so. I got a kick out of the newspaper thing, I had heard that before and it was just as funny the second time. Thank you!!

M. Serena Lanza
Sr. Payroll Coordinator
National Leisure Group, Inc.
100 Sylvan Road, Suite 600
Woburn, MA 01801
(617) 587-6459 - voice
(617) 587-6329 - fax

>>> Lisa Giroux <[log in to unmask]> 05/13 3:16 PM >>>
Sorry, I meant to respond to this but my computer has crashed three times in the last few weeks and UGH.

If he has never had to go to the bathroom on a lead, he may be reacting to the nearness of the person.  Most dogs feel vulnerable when eliminating.  This dog's history tells me that he probably was able to relieve himself in a natural way (get off by himself and go).  So he may be resisting going on the lead.

Trust me, from working with Guide Dogs that MUST be able to relieve on lead, sometimes it isn't easy to train a dog to do it.  My advice?  Tell them to put him in the yard or on a rope (a long one) and go back inside, watch from the window.  Then, when they see him going, praise and give a treat.

Also, he should NEVER be left alone or unsupervised in the home.  He will only learn to poo on the floor.  If they are catching him in the act, they should clap or holler "HEY!  HEY!" and put him outdoors, praising him if he finishes up out there.  It will be more black and white for him then.

If he is going in the house and they aren't catching him in the act, they should take a newspaper, roll it up really tight, nice and hard, and then whack THEMSELVES over the head with it for not watching him close enough.

Also, if he's pooping in the crate, there could be a couple of reasons.  He could be stressed out and fear-pooping.  Or, it could be that he is holding it in because he doesn't want to go on the lead, and just having accidents because he can't hold it anymore.

Oh yeah, and if he's been getting in BIG TROUBLE for going in the house (ie, they've caught him in the act and really gotten after him to the point where it has really scared him) he may have learned something unintentional...never, ever go to the bathroom in front of people.  He may not have associated it with "in the house."  This would also help explain why he might not want to go on walks...the people are close by!  Plus, the exercise he's getting from the walks may be stimulating him to need to poop, thus his immediate accidents in the house.

More details would help me give better advice.  Hope this helps.

Lisa G
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Kathi Tesarz
  To: [log in to unmask]
  Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:54 AM
  Subject: Re: Housebreaking Help Needed


  Ok I don't have a ready answer for you but I will do some research.

  Kathi

    Serena Lanza <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

    Nope!

    M. Serena Lanza
    Sr. Payroll Coordinator
    National Leisure Group, Inc.
    100 Sylvan Road, Suite 600
    Woburn, MA 01801
    (617) 587-6459 - voice
    (617) 587-6329 - fax

    >>> Kathi Tesarz 05/12 1:10 AM >>>

    Serena did you ever get any advice on this issue?
    Kathi
    Serena Lanza wrote: Apparently, he poops in the house within minutes of returning from his walk. I have asked for more specifics from them and haven't heard back yet. This dog has been outside for the past two years and pooped whenever his little heart desired, I know it will take some time to re-program his system, but they are getting sick of cleaning up his huge poops from the floor. I can certainly understand their feelings and am hoping that they will be willing to keep working at it. It's only been two weeks, not long enough for any cons! istency but he doesn't seem to get it at all. (Like I said before, I've never met a GSD that appeared so "dim"). Any help will be greatly appreciated!

    M. Serena Lanza
    Sr. Payroll Coordinator
    National Leisure Group, Inc.
    100 Sylvan Road, Suite 600
    Woburn, MA 01801
    (617) 587-6459 - voice
    (617) 587-6329 - fax

    >>> Kathi Tesarz 05/09 11:24 AM >>>

    How long after the walk where the dog has relieved himself does he deficate in the house? How long is he in the crate when he deficates in there?
    Serena Lanza wrote: Hi All,

    I know this is a farm collie list (and I do have three of them) but I need some help with a GSD. As some of you may remember, I had a very large GSD named Milano. He's not too bright but a good dog. I found a nice home for him with a family that lives near by. Apparently, he is pooping in the house on a regular basis. They will take him out for a walk and he'll poop and then they bring him in and five! minutes later, he'll poop in the house. He even will poop in! his crate (Strange because he didn't do that before). When we had him, he lived outside. I have asked them what they are feeding him and when, I will let you know what they say.

    Anyone got any tried and true ideas for an older (2 years old) dog?

    Thank you all so very much.

    On the Farm Collies, Scarlett, currently 9 + months old, has really come into herself since we found a home for the GSD. She is guarding people from the maurading geese and is helping round up the chickens in the evening. She's just a bit aggressive with the chickens but is easily called back and then she'll "stalk" them until they go into the barn. She has learned to circle back and forth behind them to keep them all in a bunch. She has alerted us to loose horses (will wake up from a sound sleep and start barking - must be ESP!) and has learned where everybody belongs. She breaks up cat fights and has learned all our property boundaries. Such a smart dog!

    Thanks!

    M. Ser! ena Lanza
    Sr. Payroll Coordinator
    National Leisure Group, Inc.
    100 Sylvan Road, Suite 600
    Woburn, MA 01801
    (617) 587-6459 - voice
    (617) 587-6329 - fax


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