The information on the curs is very interesting.  I've been around dogs all
my life, but never realized that "cur" referred to a specific breed or
breeds.

Out of curiosity, why is "cur" or "cur dog" used as a derogatory word or
phrase much of the time?  At least in Eastern Oklahoma - I've heard it used
that way all my life.  "He was just an old stray cur dog that wandered
up...."  (usually said with distain)   Since I just assumed the definition
based on the context in which I'd heard it used, I incorrectly believed it
referred to a mixed-breed dog of no discernable value.

I'm wondering if it might be like the derogatory use of "farm collie" by the
show ring folks?   <insert upturned nose here>  :)

Karen



-----Original Message-----
From:   Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
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Sent:   Friday, January 14, 2005 3:01 PM
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Subject:        Re: [FARMCOLLIE] Smooth farm collie pic

In the eastern part of the US they divided the litters according to coat
type "cur" for smooth and shepherd for rough and eventually selected
these into different breeds.  The smooth breed that is most like ES and
likely very closely related is the mountain cur (although many cur
breeds are closely related)

http://www.wildpromotie.nl/jagerslatijn/cur-mountain.htm

http://www.ukcdogs.com/curfeist/curs.shtml

Elaine

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of jana lashmit
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:14 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [FARMCOLLIE] Smooth farm collie pic
>
>  This pic is not online, but if you happen to go to a bookstore, look
for
> a book called "A Dog's History of America".  There are pictures in the
> middle, and one is of a dog described as the basic farm cur, which
looks
> like a smooth version of the english shepherd.  At first glance, I
thought
> smooth collie, but this dog is more sturdily built and rugged looking.
> The head looks like your classic farm collie.
>   Are there any smooth ES?  Border collies have a smooth version as do
> collies; and I've heard that shelties occasionally produce a smooth
(but
> never seen one).
>
> Jana
>
>
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