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Dotty Harala <[log in to unmask]>
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Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration <[log in to unmask]>
Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:26:09 -0700
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Thanks-you've made some good points.  I raised chickens for meat a few
years ago, and you have made me want to begin doing it again.  I've read
about how the poultry industry butchers the birds- I guess I blocked it
from my memory. :-(  Blecch.  I'd rather do it myself knowing they were
raised out scratching in the dirt and getting sunshine.
>Dotty, maybe the vet's bacterial concerns have to do with the bacterial types
>associated with industrial chicken production and processing. Even a rotting
>animal in the wild may not have certain types of bacteria which might be more
>common in industrial confinement operations and huge scale slaughterhouses.
>There are things like campylobacter (sp?) which are according to Gail
>Damerow's books (Chicken Health Handbook, Chickens in your Backyard) very
>common in industrial meat chickens but not common in home raised chickens.
>I would not purchase and feed industrial production (supermarket) chickens raw
>to dogs, and I try to avoid industrial chicken in any form, including cooked
>or processed. The industrial meat lines of chickens are raised in horrible
>inhumane conditions and they are themselves incredibly abnormal birds, about
>as genetically unnatural as you can get without actual gene splicing. The
>whole chicken "industry" is a sickening thing.
>My dogs eat lots of chicken poop. I regularly feed all my dogs home butchered
>raw chicken feet, some of the dogs can also handle the heads and those parts
>of the viscera that I don't eat myself. But our chickens are home bred and
>forage in woods and pasture. They are raised in a healthy environment, and
>they are old types of disease resistant breeds too. And home butchering can be
>very clean.
>The people I know who have started eating home butchered chickens quickly stop
>being able to tolerate that rotten smell of store purchased chicken.
>I used to have trouble with some of the dogs getting diarrhea if I fed raw
>beef marrow bones. I thought it might be too much fat at once, or maybe
>bacteria. Last time I parboiled the raw beef bones in boiling water for a
>certain amount of time with the idea of kiilling off surface bacteria without
>cooking internally. No problem with any intestinal upsets that time, though
>one instance is not proof.
>due to things like On Thursday 21 July 2005 1:39, Dotty Harala wrote:
> > My vet does not agree with it and
> > lectures me if it comes up, he thinks it is too dangerous not because of
> > the bones (since as you say they are pliable when raw, and become dangerous
> > when cooked), but he thinks the bacterial count is potentially too high and
> > says they might get a bad bacterial infection.