I actually live in Arizona now do I'm a lot closer than I used to be.
I have a female that is almost pure Dunrovin line,
I hope to breed her to Oberon next time.
Rob Jones in Georgia has some good Dunrovin line dogs that he hopes to breed in the next year or so. Ford's Buddy in Oklahoma is a sibling of Robbie and he usually produces a litter or two every year.
Andy Ward
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On Sep 7, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Dusty <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I am pretty sure Andy still has a pure line of farm shepherds he calls
> scotch collies. We have one male out of a line we found down the river, and
> hope at some point to be able to afford one of Andy's females. Tough in this
> economy as he is on the other side of the nation, may as well be the world1
>
> Dusty Copeland, CFO
> Copeland Family Farms, LLC
> (530) 436-2348
> www.goatmeats.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jennifer WhiteWolf Crock
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:46 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question
>
> That old style 1950s and earlier Scotch Collie described below, is
> exactly what my Cookie was! Mary Peasly's Belle, a beautiful ES that
> just had puppies last week, is very similar in appearance, but 30%
> smaller than Cookie was.... The connections are unmistakable....but they
> are different dogs. I would suspect the rarest dog on this list and
> also the AWFA list is THE old Scotch Collie type....Certianly some of
> the ES come very close but in a smaller package, and some of the larger
> modern "collies" of today tend toward having a stop and bigger eyes, but
> not quite like that sturdy old time Scotch Collie/Coalie....
>
> Cheers all...Jennifer
>
>
>
>
>
> On 09/06/2012 02:54 PM, Dusty wrote:
>> There is only one line I know of that does not have the ES in it. The old
>> Dunrovin' line. Some say the smooth collie is a Farm Shepherd, but I like
>> you , remember the old dogs of the 50's that looked quite a bit different..
>> JMHO.
>>
>> Dusty Copeland, CFO
>> Copeland Family Farms, LLC
>> (530) 436-2348
>> www.goatmeats.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch
>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question
>>
>> I have a question---
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of you on this list raise ES, but you refer to these animals as "Farm
>> Collies"..which I knew and well remember from my childhood. We must have
>> had 30 or so working farm shepherds, just called, "coalies, collies, or
>> Scotch collies".variously depending on who was speaking. There were
>> variants on this general type of dog, with Basque versions following their
>> shepherds at heel...and our own dogs behind us.
>>
>>
>>
>> ES is not quite what I remember---though I can't tell you exactly where it
>> is different. The "Scotch collies" looked sort of like Lassie but smaller
>> with a more open, silky coat, and a MUCH broader head with a marked stop
> and
>> no "rat snout" as is so often seen today. I remember either folded or
> tulip
>> ears---but mostly I remember the behavior which was NOT border collie
> like,
>> but much more relaxed and gently droving.
>>
>>
>>
>> So are you breeders maintaining ES separately from your farm colllies?
> Are
>> you interbreeding? How is this organized?
>>
>>
>>
>> Allison
>>
>>
>>
>> Allison E. Moss-Fritch
>>
>> New Moon Alpacas
>>
>> 350 Cloquallum Road
>>
>> Elma, WA 98541-9440
>>
>> 360/861-8584 home; cell 360/470-9317
>>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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>> http://www.newmoonalpacas.com<http://www.newmoonalpacas.com/>
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>>
>>
>> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M.L. Church
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:18 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a vague memory about one of the English Queens liking spaniels.
>> Blenheim palace, prehaps? Is it Blemheim or Blenheim?
>>
>> ML
>>
>> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 2:52 PM
>>
>> I've only heard the term used in reference to Cavalier King Charles
>> Spaniels, but the phenomenon (color spot on the forehead/top of skull)
>> happens in a lot of breeds with white markings... I'd have to review my
>> embryology ;-), but I believe there are basically three embryonic groups
> of
>> melanocytes that fan out to produce pigment on the head of the dog -- one
>> around each ear and one in the middle of the forehead. In dogs with white
>> spotting, those melanocytes don't cover as much of the surface of the
> dog...
>> when white areas are larger, the pigmented areas recede in a somewhat
>> predictable manner (ie, the tip of the muzzle is the last area to get
>> pigment as the melanocytes migrate, and the first to lose it when a dog
>> inherits the gene for white spotting ;-). When there is a lot of white on
>> the head, you may see little "islands" of pigmented fur around the ears
> and
>> in the middle of the forehead corresponding to the 3 "original" pools of
>> pigment producing cells... the melanocytes in those dogs don't migrate
> very
>> far from their location of origin ;-). For whatever reason, the Spaniel
>> people decided to name that forehead spot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary
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>>
>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:13 PM, M.L. Church wrote:
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>> I don't mean I don't see the spot, my eyes aren't that bad - I just don't
>> understand the reference.
>>
>> ML
>>
>> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask]
>> <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask]
>> <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]> >
>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 1:55 PM
>>
>> Ginger Busta's new pup from Carol Greet has one as well... I don't think
>> Ginger will mind if I attach a photo she recently shared. Very cute pair
>> :-). The big guy, Tank, is from Kris Hazelbaker's Mace and Sue Hagle's
>> Mona.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary
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>> <TankandLark.jpg>
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>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Rini wrote:
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>> Very gratifying.
>>
>> And it looks like one of the pups has a Blemheim spot on the top of his
>> blaze; it's the only one I've ever seen on an ES except for Robbie.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rini
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>> <Sept3-bellepups.jpg>
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