Robbie is 50#, so he's not real big. :) It makes it easier on me when he
lies down on my feet!
Rini
> Would LOVE to see him bred to one of Andy's females to get a "pure" strain
> back. Please don't neuter him, it will be too hard to get back these lines
> of larger dogs. I like the bigger dogs. Scout was like that. My old Chewy,
> some will remember her, is 16 this year and still has excellent eye sight,
> hips and elbows. She weighs 130 lbs on the groomer scales. I have one
> female
> left out of her that will be bred this fall. She is of the "Old Jim" type,
> from the northwest farm shepherds, mixed with the livestock guardian
> types.
> I have an amazing Anatolian male that we use for livestock protection, but
> he is also great with all the people that come to the farm.
>
> Dusty Copeland, CFO
> Copeland Family Farms, LLC
> (530) 436-2348
> www.goatmeats.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rini
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 4:37 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question
>
> I have a Dunrovin's Ol Shep grandson, Robbie (RebelxChesney's Lilly).
> He's
> a sable pattern white and was bred this year to Moya (from Rebecca
> Wingler's White Oak ES). We plan one more litter next year and then I will
> probably have neutered (unless there's someone who has a female who can
> bring her to VA). Robbie is having his 9th birthday this month.
>
> Rini
>
>
>> Dusty, who is it that has those lines?
>>
>>> There is only one line I know of that does not have the ES in it. The
>>> old
>>> Dunrovin' line. Some say the smooth collie is a Farm Shepherd, but I
>>> like
>>> you , remember the old dogs of the 50's that looked quite a bit
>>> different.
>>> JMHO.
>>>
>>> Dusty Copeland, CFO
>>> Copeland Family Farms, LLC
>>> (530) 436-2348
>>> www.goatmeats.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question
>>>
>>> I have a question---
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of you on this list raise ES, but you refer to these animals as
>>> "Farm
>>> Collies"..which I knew and well remember from my childhood. We must
>>> have
>>> had 30 or so working farm shepherds, just called, "coalies, collies, or
>>> Scotch collies".variously depending on who was speaking. There were
>>> variants on this general type of dog, with Basque versions following
>>> their
>>> shepherds at heel...and our own dogs behind us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ES is not quite what I remember---though I can't tell you exactly where
>>> it
>>> is different. The "Scotch collies" looked sort of like Lassie but
>>> smaller
>>> with a more open, silky coat, and a MUCH broader head with a marked stop
>>> and
>>> no "rat snout" as is so often seen today. I remember either folded or
>>> tulip
>>> ears---but mostly I remember the behavior which was NOT border collie
>>> like,
>>> but much more relaxed and gently droving.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So are you breeders maintaining ES separately from your farm colllies?
>>> Are
>>> you interbreeding? How is this organized?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Allison
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Allison E. Moss-Fritch
>>>
>>> New Moon Alpacas
>>>
>>> 350 Cloquallum Road
>>>
>>> Elma, WA 98541-9440
>>>
>>> 360/861-8584 home; cell 360/470-9317
>>>
>>> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>> http://www.newmoonalpacas.com <http://www.newmoonalpacas.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M.L. Church
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:18 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a vague memory about one of the English Queens liking spaniels.
>>> Blenheim palace, prehaps? Is it Blemheim or Blenheim?
>>>
>>> ML
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 2:52 PM
>>>
>>> I've only heard the term used in reference to Cavalier King Charles
>>> Spaniels, but the phenomenon (color spot on the forehead/top of skull)
>>> happens in a lot of breeds with white markings... I'd have to review my
>>> embryology ;-), but I believe there are basically three embryonic groups
>>> of
>>> melanocytes that fan out to produce pigment on the head of the dog --
>>> one
>>> around each ear and one in the middle of the forehead. In dogs with
>>> white
>>> spotting, those melanocytes don't cover as much of the surface of the
>>> dog...
>>> when white areas are larger, the pigmented areas recede in a somewhat
>>> predictable manner (ie, the tip of the muzzle is the last area to get
>>> pigment as the melanocytes migrate, and the first to lose it when a dog
>>> inherits the gene for white spotting ;-). When there is a lot of white
>>> on
>>> the head, you may see little "islands" of pigmented fur around the ears
>>> and
>>> in the middle of the forehead corresponding to the 3 "original" pools of
>>> pigment producing cells... the melanocytes in those dogs don't migrate
>>> very
>>> far from their location of origin ;-). For whatever reason, the Spaniel
>>> people decided to name that forehead spot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:13 PM, M.L. Church wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't mean I don't see the spot, my eyes aren't that bad - I just
>>> don't
>>> understand the reference.
>>>
>>> ML
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]
>>> <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]
>>> <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]> >
>>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 1:55 PM
>>>
>>> Ginger Busta's new pup from Carol Greet has one as well... I don't think
>>> Ginger will mind if I attach a photo she recently shared. Very cute
>>> pair
>>> :-). The big guy, Tank, is from Kris Hazelbaker's Mace and Sue Hagle's
>>> Mona.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <TankandLark.jpg>
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Rini wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Very gratifying.
>>>
>>> And it looks like one of the pups has a Blemheim spot on the top of his
>>> blaze; it's the only one I've ever seen on an ES except for Robbie.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rini
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <Sept3-bellepups.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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