According to Mr. McDuffie there is no difference between the two terms, OTFS
and OFC.  He uses the former as it causes less confusion.  Many people include
the more recent imported collie types when using the latter term,  so it seems
to be more inclusive in the way it is used, and I am sure that Traveler
qualifies there as well!

Traveler is actually registered as an ES, he is one quarter Oney's ES and half
OTFS, the other quarter being Ranger, an ES or farm collie of unknown
pedigree.  I am sure that both Ranger and Traveler, as well as Beethoven, the
registered OTFS, qualify for registration with IESR as English Shepherds too.
The merle OTFSs would probably not qualify as ESs.  So don't worry about the
terminology.

Elaine

Carole L. Presberg wrote:

> Elaine, et al:
>
> Thanks for enquiring about the Shepherd's Dogge--don't want to spam the
> entire list, but if you visit my website you will find information on
> subscribing:
>
> http://www.gis.net/~shepdog
>
> I'm told that I mis-labeled Traveler. So sorry, Elaine. I called him an Old
> Farm Collie (OFC) and understand that Elaine has him registered as an Old
> Time Farm Shepherd (OTFS). Here's where these labels get confusing. Would
> that we could just call all these dogs (BC, ES, OFC, OTFS, AS, WS,
> etc.--how's that for alphabet soup?) "collies" and then just say "he is one
> of the collie breeds" or better, "he is a type of collie". But that's just
> me.
>
> Carole Presberg