No. I have three male adult collie pets and a spayed terrier mix. Chancy
( Valiant Agni Took His Chance) is linebred Valiant ( Valaint Agni ex
Valiant Chantilly Lace) a sable rough ; Zip, a rough blue merle (not
registered and co-bred here with Athena); and Pappy, a sable smooth
Bellwether Galen Lew) (bred here, pet quality litter brother to Ch. Valiant
Arresting Image and co-owned with Athena). They are our pets and live here.
Tigger, the terrier mix is a rescue btich we got as a puppy. She is a silky
terrier cross of some kind, we think. Carries a liver gene in her blond
coloring which makes her all gold. Just striking. Gold eyes, toenails, coat,
nose. A real woose, shes the one who always knows someone is sick and lays
on their bed till they feel better, grin.
From: Dean Mair <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pappy
>I thought you were getting out of collies. Are you grooming them up to
>At 03:58 AM 12/4/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>>.. Also carries tons of a a terribly incorrect coat with a
>>pelt like a sheep. In the summer, there`s nothing for it but to trim him
>>down to a 1 1/2 inch puppy clip.
>If a collie is not groomed properly and then clipped it can develop
>a poor coat. There is a real dispute about the clipping of collies and
>shelties. Some dogs take clipping ok but others never regain/regrow
>their outer coat of guard hairs. If you clip one of these dogs, you
>end up with nothing but under coat.
>A substitute vet was talking about shaving my sheltie if a small area of
>mange spread. My regular vet had a hemorrhage. He said no way. That would
>be the last resort and even then would not be needed. He has seen collies
>and shelties who were clipped and the outer coat didn't regrow. A collie
>with nothing but the inner coat is a mess.
>I'm convinced that properly groomed functional collie coats can take
>heat as well as cold. My guys will sit out in the sun in the middle
>of summer in Florida. They wouldn't stay there for hours like they like
>to in cooler weather, but still enjoy a little sun bathing. There was
>a post to one of the genetic's list a while back that discussed the
>insulating factors of a heavy coat, winter and summer, and the proper
>> Chancy`s kinda stupid anyway, ...
>A Irish Setter, a breed stereotyped as dense, convinced me that the problem
>with a stupid dog can be found at the other end of the lead. :)
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