Hi Jenn - Did you get the pup with the mostly white coat? She was the one I was in love with, she looks so much like a different colored version of my Bonnie: http://www.uvm.edu/~jhilborn/dogs/mydogs/bonnie4mo.jpg The English Collie thing threw me too. A Guardian Breeds rescueer forwarded me the link for the three pups and I talked to the shelter. There is no such thing as a "purebred English Collie" - there are collies, both Border and standard show type, from England but they aren't "English Collies". One of the things that struck me about these three pups was the color of their coats. It is what we in the English Shepherd world call "clear sable" - there were no black guard hairs on the sable. This is not a collie color at all but it does show up in both Border Collies (fairly uncommon but it happens) and very commonly in English Shepherds. There is a breeder in northern Virginia who breeds clear sable English Shepherds. She breeds her poor female every heat and will sell her pups to anyone. Both of her English Shepherds are normally marked but both go back to lines where excessive white and blue eyes occur. I do not think these three pus were hers, the timing isn't quite right, but I really believe that your Chaos' mother was from this English Shepherd breeder. jan