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Yeah, that's why I thought it was interesting.  They weren't really clear on
criteria, other than the mention of pups licking the lambs as a wanted
thing.
Thought this might be interesting though - thought provoking on what clients
look for in our dogs - no matter what breed you have.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "jan" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] LSG's at Premier stock supply - interesting


> At 11:41 PM -0400 10/20/04, Claire Apple wrote:
>
> >       by Stan Potratz
> >                        Why do I say this? Because the O'Neill's and
Janet
> >McNally (the dame of the pups is from the McNally's and the sire of the
> >pups comes from the O'Neill's) cull their guard dogs aggressively, and
> >have done so for years. Inferior dogs are never allowed to produce pups.
> >The result, over time, is a more reliable source of superior guard dog.
> >
>
>         I think that is really interesting. Of course, it all matters in
> how you define "inferior pups". If you are breeding for conformation shows
> your definition of "inferior" will be different from someone breeding for
> agility or herding or livestock guarding.  I was shocked to here a sheltie
> person on another list maintain that shelties had never been herding dogs.
> I'm sure her opinion about what dogs are "inferior" are different from
> yours or mine...
>
>         With the LGDs at Premier, I have to wonder if the ones that didn't
> work out came from breeders who had other ideals. And I don't mean show
dog
> ideals either. But if they are selecting for the type of LGD that suits
> their farm, it's size and stock and preditors, their dogs might be perfect

> for them and less than ideal for the Premier farm. Some folks might read
> this article by Stan and rush out for a McNally pup only to find that it
> doesn't do the job for them becaus ethey have other needs and
expectations.
> If you go over to southern and eastern Europe you;ll find a lot of
> different LGDs. They are all so similar in looks but each region selected
> for dogs that were ideal for them and people familiar with the different
> types of LGDs believe there are differences aside from obviousl physical
> ones.
>
>         With English Shepherds we've had breeders who considered a certain
> size or color ideal and dogs who didn't meet that expectation were
> "inferior". Some folks have focused on a particular type of stock and
> gotten away from the "general all round" type the ES has been. If you got
a
> dog from a "B&T is the only true ES" person and your dog was perfect then
> you might be disappointed when your next dog comes from a "big dogs are
> better" person.
>
>         It's always important for breeder and potential buyer to talk to
> each other, in depth, about goals and expectations and hopes.
>
>         jan
>