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I emailed the people at the WSD club and got an immediate reply; they are interested in our dogs and asked lots of questions I couldn't answer! Jaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnn!!!!!! I will forward their email to Jan when I get permission. They've got 250 breeding bitches (wow!) and seem to be moving in parallel lines to what we are doing here. Nice folk. I hope a lot of mutual support and sympathy will come of this contact. Rini