Is Athena really dead or is that just an expression? She did sell some nice dogs to people in Europe and Iceland or Greenland ( I think) that are happy with them. But of course her breeding stock had less than good care- sad for the dogs. I actually went to her site before all of the shit hit the fan- I liked the structure of her dogs but they looked unkept to me and way over priced. Hazelanne jan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: At 12:00 PM -0700 7/14/05, jana lashmit wrote: > As far as Athena - JMO, she might make the opthalmologists happy but >there are a lot of dog lovers who have less-than-nice things to say about >her. She gave "normal eyes" a bad name. > I don't want to see this list devolve into Athena bashing. She is dead now and most of her dogs have gone on to the lives they deserved from the get-go. Ages ago, when this list was young Athena was an occassional visitor. Her posts were always helpful and informative. If Collie people are using Athena to give "normal eyes" a bad name then they are doing it to deflect attention from the real problem. Athena should give a bad name to breeders who have too many dogs, not to those who care about genetic health.