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Dusty, who is it that has those lines? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question > There is only one line I know of that does not have the ES in it. The old > Dunrovin' line. Some say the smooth collie is a Farm Shepherd, but I like > you , remember the old dogs of the 50's that looked quite a bit different. > JMHO. > > Dusty Copeland, CFO > Copeland Family Farms, LLC > (530) 436-2348 > www.goatmeats.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:39 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question > > I have a question--- > > > > Most of you on this list raise ES, but you refer to these animals as "Farm > Collies"..which I knew and well remember from my childhood. We must have > had 30 or so working farm shepherds, just called, "coalies, collies, or > Scotch collies".variously depending on who was speaking. There were > variants on this general type of dog, with Basque versions following their > shepherds at heel...and our own dogs behind us. > > > > ES is not quite what I remember---though I can't tell you exactly where it > is different. The "Scotch collies" looked sort of like Lassie but smaller > with a more open, silky coat, and a MUCH broader head with a marked stop > and > no "rat snout" as is so often seen today. I remember either folded or > tulip > ears---but mostly I remember the behavior which was NOT border collie > like, > but much more relaxed and gently droving. > > > > So are you breeders maintaining ES separately from your farm colllies? > Are > you interbreeding? How is this organized? > > > > Allison > > > > Allison E. Moss-Fritch > > New Moon Alpacas > > 350 Cloquallum Road > > Elma, WA 98541-9440 > > 360/861-8584 home; cell 360/470-9317 > > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > http://www.newmoonalpacas.com <http://www.newmoonalpacas.com/> > > > > > > > > > > From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M.L. Church > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:18 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new > > > > I have a vague memory about one of the English Queens liking spaniels. > Blenheim palace, prehaps? Is it Blemheim or Blenheim? > > ML > > --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > From: Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new > To: [log in to unmask] > Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 2:52 PM > > I've only heard the term used in reference to Cavalier King Charles > Spaniels, but the phenomenon (color spot on the forehead/top of skull) > happens in a lot of breeds with white markings... I'd have to review my > embryology ;-), but I believe there are basically three embryonic groups > of > melanocytes that fan out to produce pigment on the head of the dog -- one > around each ear and one in the middle of the forehead. In dogs with white > spotting, those melanocytes don't cover as much of the surface of the > dog... > when white areas are larger, the pigmented areas recede in a somewhat > predictable manner (ie, the tip of the muzzle is the last area to get > pigment as the melanocytes migrate, and the first to lose it when a dog > inherits the gene for white spotting ;-). When there is a lot of white on > the head, you may see little "islands" of pigmented fur around the ears > and > in the middle of the forehead corresponding to the 3 "original" pools of > pigment producing cells... the melanocytes in those dogs don't migrate > very > far from their location of origin ;-). For whatever reason, the Spaniel > people decided to name that forehead spot. > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:13 PM, M.L. Church wrote: > > > > > > I don't mean I don't see the spot, my eyes aren't that bad - I just don't > understand the reference. > > ML > > --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask] > <http:[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > From: Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask] > <http:[log in to unmask]> > > Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new > To: [log in to unmask] > <http:[log in to unmask]> > Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 1:55 PM > > Ginger Busta's new pup from Carol Greet has one as well... I don't think > Ginger will mind if I attach a photo she recently shared. Very cute pair > :-). The big guy, Tank, is from Kris Hazelbaker's Mace and Sue Hagle's > Mona. > > > > Mary > > > > <TankandLark.jpg> > > On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Rini wrote: > > > > > > Very gratifying. > > And it looks like one of the pups has a Blemheim spot on the top of his > blaze; it's the only one I've ever seen on an ES except for Robbie. > > > > Rini > > > > <Sept3-bellepups.jpg> > > > > > >