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Dusty, who is it that has those lines?

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From: "Dusty" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question


> There is only one line I know of that does not have the ES in it. The old
> Dunrovin' line. Some say the smooth collie is a Farm Shepherd, but I like
> you , remember the old dogs of the 50's that looked quite a bit different.
> JMHO.
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> Dusty Copeland, CFO
> Copeland Family Farms, LLC
> (530) 436-2348
> www.goatmeats.com
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> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:39 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question
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> I have a question---
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> Most of you on this list raise ES, but you refer to these animals as "Farm
> Collies"..which I knew and well remember from my childhood.  We must have
> had 30 or so working farm shepherds, just called, "coalies, collies, or
> Scotch collies".variously depending on who was speaking.  There were
> variants on this general type of dog, with Basque versions following their
> shepherds at heel...and our own dogs behind us.
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> ES is not quite what I remember---though I can't tell you exactly where it
> is different.  The "Scotch collies" looked sort of like Lassie but smaller
> with a more open, silky coat, and a MUCH broader head with a marked stop 
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> no "rat snout" as is so often seen today.  I remember either folded or 
> tulip
> ears---but mostly I remember the behavior which was NOT border collie 
> like,
> but much more relaxed and gently droving.
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> So are you breeders maintaining ES separately from your farm colllies? 
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> you interbreeding?  How is this organized?
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> Allison
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> Allison E. Moss-Fritch
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> New Moon Alpacas
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> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M.L. Church
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:18 AM
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> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
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> I have a vague memory about one of the English Queens liking spaniels.
> Blenheim palace, prehaps?  Is it Blemheim or Blenheim?
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> ML
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> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> From: Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 2:52 PM
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> I've only heard the term used in reference to Cavalier King Charles
> Spaniels, but the phenomenon (color spot on the forehead/top of skull)
> happens in a lot of breeds with white markings... I'd have to review my
> embryology ;-), but I believe there are basically three embryonic groups 
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> melanocytes that fan out to produce pigment on the head of the dog -- one
> around each ear and one in the middle of the forehead.  In dogs with white
> spotting, those melanocytes don't cover as much of the surface of the 
> dog...
> when white areas are larger, the pigmented areas recede in a somewhat
> predictable manner (ie, the tip of the muzzle is the last area to get
> pigment as the melanocytes migrate, and the first to lose it when a dog
> inherits the gene for white spotting ;-).  When there is a lot of white on
> the head, you may see little "islands" of pigmented fur around the ears 
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> in the middle of the forehead corresponding to the 3 "original" pools of
> pigment producing cells... the melanocytes in those dogs don't migrate 
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> far from their location of origin ;-).  For whatever reason, the Spaniel
> people decided to name that forehead spot.
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> Mary
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> On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:13 PM, M.L. Church wrote:
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> I don't mean I don't see the spot, my eyes aren't that bad - I just don't
> understand the reference.
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> ML
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> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]
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> From: Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]
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> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
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> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 1:55 PM
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> Ginger Busta's new pup from Carol Greet has one as well... I don't think
> Ginger will mind if I attach a photo she recently shared.  Very cute pair
> :-).  The big guy, Tank, is from Kris Hazelbaker's Mace and Sue Hagle's
> Mona.
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> Mary
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> <TankandLark.jpg>
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> On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Rini wrote:
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> Very gratifying.
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> And it looks like one of the pups has a Blemheim spot on the top of his
> blaze; it's the only one I've ever seen on an ES except for Robbie.
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> Rini
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