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Beautiful! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ward" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question >I actually live in Arizona now do I'm a lot closer than I used to be. > > I have a female that is almost pure Dunrovin line, > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I hope to breed her to Oberon next time. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Jones in Georgia has some good Dunrovin line dogs that he hopes to breed in the next year or so. Ford's Buddy in Oklahoma is a sibling of Robbie and he usually produces a litter or two every year. Andy Ward ------------- On Sep 7, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Dusty <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I am pretty sure Andy still has a pure line of farm shepherds he calls > scotch collies. We have one male out of a line we found down the river, > and > hope at some point to be able to afford one of Andy's females. Tough in > this > economy as he is on the other side of the nation, may as well be the > world1 > > Dusty Copeland, CFO > Copeland Family Farms, LLC > (530) 436-2348 > www.goatmeats.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jennifer WhiteWolf Crock > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:46 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question > > That old style 1950s and earlier Scotch Collie described below, is > exactly what my Cookie was! Mary Peasly's Belle, a beautiful ES that > just had puppies last week, is very similar in appearance, but 30% > smaller than Cookie was.... The connections are unmistakable....but they > are different dogs. I would suspect the rarest dog on this list and > also the AWFA list is THE old Scotch Collie type....Certianly some of > the ES come very close but in a smaller package, and some of the larger > modern "collies" of today tend toward having a stop and bigger eyes, but > not quite like that sturdy old time Scotch Collie/Coalie.... > > Cheers all...Jennifer > > > > > > On 09/06/2012 02:54 PM, Dusty wrote: >> There is only one line I know of that does not have the ES in it. The old >> Dunrovin' line. Some say the smooth collie is a Farm Shepherd, but I like >> you , remember the old dogs of the 50's that looked quite a bit >> different.. >> JMHO. >> >> Dusty Copeland, CFO >> Copeland Family Farms, LLC >> (530) 436-2348 >> www.goatmeats.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:39 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question >> >> I have a question--- >> >> >> >> Most of you on this list raise ES, but you refer to these animals as >> "Farm >> Collies"..which I knew and well remember from my childhood. We must have >> had 30 or so working farm shepherds, just called, "coalies, collies, or >> Scotch collies".variously depending on who was speaking. There were >> variants on this general type of dog, with Basque versions following >> their >> shepherds at heel...and our own dogs behind us. >> >> >> >> ES is not quite what I remember---though I can't tell you exactly where >> it >> is different. The "Scotch collies" looked sort of like Lassie but >> smaller >> with a more open, silky coat, and a MUCH broader head with a marked stop > and >> no "rat snout" as is so often seen today. I remember either folded or > tulip >> ears---but mostly I remember the behavior which was NOT border collie > like, >> but much more relaxed and gently droving. >> >> >> >> So are you breeders maintaining ES separately from your farm colllies? > Are >> you interbreeding? How is this organized? >> >> >> >> Allison >> >> >> >> Allison E. Moss-Fritch >> >> New Moon Alpacas >> >> 350 Cloquallum Road >> >> Elma, WA 98541-9440 >> >> 360/861-8584 home; cell 360/470-9317 >> >> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> >> http://www.newmoonalpacas.com<http://www.newmoonalpacas.com/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M.L. Church >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:18 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new >> >> >> >> I have a vague memory about one of the English Queens liking spaniels. >> Blenheim palace, prehaps? Is it Blemheim or Blenheim? >> >> ML >> >> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> From: Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 2:52 PM >> >> I've only heard the term used in reference to Cavalier King Charles >> Spaniels, but the phenomenon (color spot on the forehead/top of skull) >> happens in a lot of breeds with white markings... I'd have to review my >> embryology ;-), but I believe there are basically three embryonic groups > of >> melanocytes that fan out to produce pigment on the head of the dog -- one >> around each ear and one in the middle of the forehead. In dogs with >> white >> spotting, those melanocytes don't cover as much of the surface of the > dog... >> when white areas are larger, the pigmented areas recede in a somewhat >> predictable manner (ie, the tip of the muzzle is the last area to get >> pigment as the melanocytes migrate, and the first to lose it when a dog >> inherits the gene for white spotting ;-). When there is a lot of white >> on >> the head, you may see little "islands" of pigmented fur around the ears > and >> in the middle of the forehead corresponding to the 3 "original" pools of >> pigment producing cells... the melanocytes in those dogs don't migrate > very >> far from their location of origin ;-). For whatever reason, the Spaniel >> people decided to name that forehead spot. >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:13 PM, M.L. Church wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't mean I don't see the spot, my eyes aren't that bad - I just don't >> understand the reference. >> >> ML >> >> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask] >> <http:[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask] >> <http:[log in to unmask]> > >> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new >> To: [log in to unmask] >> <http:[log in to unmask]> >> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 1:55 PM >> >> Ginger Busta's new pup from Carol Greet has one as well... I don't think >> Ginger will mind if I attach a photo she recently shared. Very cute pair >> :-). The big guy, Tank, is from Kris Hazelbaker's Mace and Sue Hagle's >> Mona. >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> <TankandLark.jpg> >> >> On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Rini wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Very gratifying. >> >> And it looks like one of the pups has a Blemheim spot on the top of his >> blaze; it's the only one I've ever seen on an ES except for Robbie. >> >> >> >> Rini >> >> >> >> <Sept3-bellepups.jpg> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>