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Would love to have a female that we could breed to my daughter's dog,
Ranger. 

Dusty Copeland, CFO
Copeland Family Farms, LLC
(530) 436-2348
www.goatmeats.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tonya
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 7:32 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question

Thanks Dusty 
Our Lassen is out of Shasta. Shasta is out of Burl Fords Buddy her Father is
the Son of Rover brother to Shep which makes her a Granddaughter of  The
original four she also has  Little Bit in her pedigree. Little Bit is one of
the females from  that litter with Keppie being the final female in the
group. Of course her grandfather Buddy is a Grandson of Shep. So she has
three of the original dogs in her pedigree.
She is beautiful with eyes that speak
As far as I know this litter had the highest concentration of OTFS that was
bred in many years.


if I'm not mistaken Robbie is a litter mate to Buddy

Tonya 

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On Sep 7, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Dusty <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Would LOVE to see him bred to one of Andy's females to get a "pure" strain
> back. Please don't neuter him, it will be too hard to get back these lines
> of larger dogs. I like the bigger dogs. Scout was like that. My old Chewy,
> some will remember her, is 16 this year and still has excellent eye sight,
> hips and elbows. She weighs 130 lbs on the groomer scales. I have one
female
> left out of her that will be bred this fall. She is of the "Old Jim" type,
> from the northwest farm shepherds, mixed with the livestock guardian
types..
> I have an amazing Anatolian male that we use for livestock protection, but
> he is also great with all the people that come to the farm. 
> 
> Dusty Copeland, CFO
> Copeland Family Farms, LLC
> (530) 436-2348
> www.goatmeats.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rini
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 4:37 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question
> 
> I have a Dunrovin's Ol Shep grandson, Robbie (RebelxChesney's Lilly).
He's 
> a sable pattern white and was bred this year to Moya (from  Rebecca 
> Wingler's White Oak ES). We plan one more litter next year and then I will

> probably have neutered (unless there's someone who has a female who can 
> bring her to VA). Robbie is having his 9th birthday this month.
> 
> Rini
> 
> 
>> Dusty, who is it that has those lines?
>> 
>>> There is only one line I know of that does not have the ES in it. The
old
>>> Dunrovin' line. Some say the smooth collie is a Farm Shepherd, but I
like
>>> you , remember the old dogs of the 50's that looked quite a bit 
>>> different.
>>> JMHO.
>>> 
>>> Dusty Copeland, CFO
>>> Copeland Family Farms, LLC
>>> (530) 436-2348
>>> www.goatmeats.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question
>>> 
>>> I have a question---
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Most of you on this list raise ES, but you refer to these animals as 
>>> "Farm
>>> Collies"..which I knew and well remember from my childhood.  We must
have
>>> had 30 or so working farm shepherds, just called, "coalies, collies, or
>>> Scotch collies".variously depending on who was speaking.  There were
>>> variants on this general type of dog, with Basque versions following 
>>> their
>>> shepherds at heel...and our own dogs behind us.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ES is not quite what I remember---though I can't tell you exactly where 
>>> it
>>> is different.  The "Scotch collies" looked sort of like Lassie but 
>>> smaller
>>> with a more open, silky coat, and a MUCH broader head with a marked stop

>>> and
>>> no "rat snout" as is so often seen today.  I remember either folded or 
>>> tulip
>>> ears---but mostly I remember the behavior which was NOT border collie 
>>> like,
>>> but much more relaxed and gently droving.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So are you breeders maintaining ES separately from your farm colllies? 
>>> Are
>>> you interbreeding?  How is this organized?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Allison
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Allison E. Moss-Fritch
>>> 
>>> New Moon Alpacas
>>> 
>>> 350 Cloquallum Road
>>> 
>>> Elma, WA  98541-9440
>>> 
>>> 360/861-8584 home; cell 360/470-9317
>>> 
>>> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> 
>>> http://www.newmoonalpacas.com <http://www.newmoonalpacas.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M.L. Church
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:18 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a vague memory about one of the English Queens liking spaniels.
>>> Blenheim palace, prehaps?  Is it Blemheim or Blenheim?
>>> 
>>> ML
>>> 
>>> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 2:52 PM
>>> 
>>> I've only heard the term used in reference to Cavalier King Charles
>>> Spaniels, but the phenomenon (color spot on the forehead/top of skull)
>>> happens in a lot of breeds with white markings... I'd have to review my
>>> embryology ;-), but I believe there are basically three embryonic groups

>>> of
>>> melanocytes that fan out to produce pigment on the head of the dog --
one
>>> around each ear and one in the middle of the forehead.  In dogs with 
>>> white
>>> spotting, those melanocytes don't cover as much of the surface of the 
>>> dog...
>>> when white areas are larger, the pigmented areas recede in a somewhat
>>> predictable manner (ie, the tip of the muzzle is the last area to get
>>> pigment as the melanocytes migrate, and the first to lose it when a dog
>>> inherits the gene for white spotting ;-).  When there is a lot of white 
>>> on
>>> the head, you may see little "islands" of pigmented fur around the ears 
>>> and
>>> in the middle of the forehead corresponding to the 3 "original" pools of
>>> pigment producing cells... the melanocytes in those dogs don't migrate 
>>> very
>>> far from their location of origin ;-).  For whatever reason, the Spaniel
>>> people decided to name that forehead spot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:13 PM, M.L. Church wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't mean I don't see the spot, my eyes aren't that bad - I just
don't
>>> understand the reference.
>>> 
>>> ML
>>> 
>>> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]
>>> <http:[log in to unmask]> >
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]
>>> <http:[log in to unmask]> >
>>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> <http:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 1:55 PM
>>> 
>>> Ginger Busta's new pup from Carol Greet has one as well... I don't think
>>> Ginger will mind if I attach a photo she recently shared.  Very cute
pair
>>> :-).  The big guy, Tank, is from Kris Hazelbaker's Mace and Sue Hagle's
>>> Mona.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <TankandLark.jpg>
>>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Rini wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very gratifying.
>>> 
>>> And it looks like one of the pups has a Blemheim spot on the top of his
>>> blaze; it's the only one I've ever seen on an ES except for Robbie.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rini
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <Sept3-bellepups.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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