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Jana Wilson also has a litter right now sired by a Dunrovin dog. Her website is http://greenmountainshepherds.webs.com/ It's the Joy/Shep litter. If you're not ready for a pup til next year, I'm anticipating a litter that will have several crosses of Dunrovin Old Shep offspring. Diane W www.brushwoodfarm.com ________________________________ From: Rini <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question I have a Dunrovin's Ol Shep grandson, Robbie (RebelxChesney's Lilly). He's a sable pattern white and was bred this year to Moya (from Rebecca Wingler's White Oak ES). We plan one more litter next year and then I will probably have neutered (unless there's someone who has a female who can bring her to VA). Robbie is having his 9th birthday this month. Rini > Dusty, who is it that has those lines? > >> There is only one line I know of that does not have the ES in it. The old >> Dunrovin' line. Some say the smooth collie is a Farm Shepherd, but I like >> you , remember the old dogs of the 50's that looked quite a bit >> different. >> JMHO. >> >> Dusty Copeland, CFO >> Copeland Family Farms, LLC >> (530) 436-2348 >> www.goatmeats.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:39 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question >> >> I have a question--- >> >> >> >> Most of you on this list raise ES, but you refer to these animals as >> "Farm >> Collies"..which I knew and well remember from my childhood. We must have >> had 30 or so working farm shepherds, just called, "coalies, collies, or >> Scotch collies".variously depending on who was speaking. There were >> variants on this general type of dog, with Basque versions following >> their >> shepherds at heel...and our own dogs behind us. >> >> >> >> ES is not quite what I remember---though I can't tell you exactly where >> it >> is different. The "Scotch collies" looked sort of like Lassie but >> smaller >> with a more open, silky coat, and a MUCH broader head with a marked stop >> and >> no "rat snout" as is so often seen today. I remember either folded or >> tulip >> ears---but mostly I remember the behavior which was NOT border collie >> like, >> but much more relaxed and gently droving. >> >> >> >> So are you breeders maintaining ES separately from your farm colllies? >> Are >> you interbreeding? How is this organized? >> >> >> >> Allison >> >> >> >> Allison E. Moss-Fritch >> >> New Moon Alpacas >> >> 350 Cloquallum Road >> >> Elma, WA 98541-9440 >> >> 360/861-8584 home; cell 360/470-9317 >> >> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> >> http://www.newmoonalpacas.com <http://www.newmoonalpacas.com/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M.L. Church >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:18 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new >> >> >> >> I have a vague memory about one of the English Queens liking spaniels. >> Blenheim palace, prehaps? Is it Blemheim or Blenheim? >> >> ML >> >> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> From: Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 2:52 PM >> >> I've only heard the term used in reference to Cavalier King Charles >> Spaniels, but the phenomenon (color spot on the forehead/top of skull) >> happens in a lot of breeds with white markings... I'd have to review my >> embryology ;-), but I believe there are basically three embryonic groups >> of >> melanocytes that fan out to produce pigment on the head of the dog -- one >> around each ear and one in the middle of the forehead. In dogs with >> white >> spotting, those melanocytes don't cover as much of the surface of the >> dog... >> when white areas are larger, the pigmented areas recede in a somewhat >> predictable manner (ie, the tip of the muzzle is the last area to get >> pigment as the melanocytes migrate, and the first to lose it when a dog >> inherits the gene for white spotting ;-). When there is a lot of white >> on >> the head, you may see little "islands" of pigmented fur around the ears >> and >> in the middle of the forehead corresponding to the 3 "original" pools of >> pigment producing cells... the melanocytes in those dogs don't migrate >> very >> far from their location of origin ;-). For whatever reason, the Spaniel >> people decided to name that forehead spot. >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:13 PM, M.L. Church wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't mean I don't see the spot, my eyes aren't that bad - I just don't >> understand the reference. >> >> ML >> >> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask] >> <http:[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Mary Peaslee <[log in to unmask] >> <http:[log in to unmask]> > >> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new >> To: [log in to unmask] >> <http:[log in to unmask]> >> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 1:55 PM >> >> Ginger Busta's new pup from Carol Greet has one as well... I don't think >> Ginger will mind if I attach a photo she recently shared. Very cute pair >> :-). The big guy, Tank, is from Kris Hazelbaker's Mace and Sue Hagle's >> Mona. >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> <TankandLark.jpg> >> >> On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Rini wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Very gratifying. >> >> And it looks like one of the pups has a Blemheim spot on the top of his >> blaze; it's the only one I've ever seen on an ES except for Robbie. >> >> >> >> Rini >> >> >> >> <Sept3-bellepups.jpg> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5253 - Release Date: 09/06/12 >