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Rob Jones in Georgia has some good Dunrovin line dogs that he hopes to breed in the next year or so. Ford's Buddy in Oklahoma is a sibling of Robbie and he usually produces a litter or two every year. 

Andy Ward
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On Sep 7, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Dusty <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I am pretty sure Andy still has a pure line of farm shepherds he calls
> scotch collies. We have one male out of a line we found down the river, and
> hope at some point to be able to afford one of Andy's females. Tough in this
> economy as he is on the other side of the nation, may as well be the world1 
> 
> Dusty Copeland, CFO
> Copeland Family Farms, LLC
> (530) 436-2348
> www.goatmeats.com
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jennifer WhiteWolf Crock
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:46 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question
> 
> That old style 1950s and earlier Scotch Collie described below, is 
> exactly what my Cookie was!  Mary Peasly's Belle, a beautiful ES that 
> just had puppies last week, is very similar in appearance, but 30% 
> smaller than Cookie was.... The connections are unmistakable....but they 
> are different dogs.  I would suspect the rarest dog on this list and 
> also the AWFA list is THE old Scotch Collie type....Certianly some of 
> the ES come very close but in a smaller package, and some of the larger 
> modern "collies" of today tend toward having a stop and bigger eyes, but 
> not quite like that sturdy old time Scotch Collie/Coalie....
> 
> Cheers all...Jennifer
> 
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> On 09/06/2012 02:54 PM, Dusty wrote:
>> There is only one line I know of that does not have the ES in it. The old
>> Dunrovin' line. Some say the smooth collie is a Farm Shepherd, but I like
>> you , remember the old dogs of the 50's that looked quite a bit different..
>> JMHO.
>> 
>> Dusty Copeland, CFO
>> Copeland Family Farms, LLC
>> (530) 436-2348
>> www.goatmeats.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch
>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new--a question
>> 
>> I have a question---
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Most of you on this list raise ES, but you refer to these animals as "Farm
>> Collies"..which I knew and well remember from my childhood.  We must have
>> had 30 or so working farm shepherds, just called, "coalies, collies, or
>> Scotch collies".variously depending on who was speaking.  There were
>> variants on this general type of dog, with Basque versions following their
>> shepherds at heel...and our own dogs behind us.
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>> 
>> ES is not quite what I remember---though I can't tell you exactly where it
>> is different.  The "Scotch collies" looked sort of like Lassie but smaller
>> with a more open, silky coat, and a MUCH broader head with a marked stop
> and
>> no "rat snout" as is so often seen today.  I remember either folded or
> tulip
>> ears---but mostly I remember the behavior which was NOT border collie
> like,
>> but much more relaxed and gently droving.
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>> 
>> So are you breeders maintaining ES separately from your farm colllies?
> Are
>> you interbreeding?  How is this organized?
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>> 
>> Allison
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>> Allison E. Moss-Fritch
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>> New Moon Alpacas
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>> 350 Cloquallum Road
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>> Elma, WA  98541-9440
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>> 360/861-8584 home; cell 360/470-9317
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>> From: Farm Collie Breed Conservancy and Restoration
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M.L. Church
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:18 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
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>> 
>> I have a vague memory about one of the English Queens liking spaniels.
>> Blenheim palace, prehaps?  Is it Blemheim or Blenheim?
>> 
>> ML
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>> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
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>> From: Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 2:52 PM
>> 
>> I've only heard the term used in reference to Cavalier King Charles
>> Spaniels, but the phenomenon (color spot on the forehead/top of skull)
>> happens in a lot of breeds with white markings... I'd have to review my
>> embryology ;-), but I believe there are basically three embryonic groups
> of
>> melanocytes that fan out to produce pigment on the head of the dog -- one
>> around each ear and one in the middle of the forehead.  In dogs with white
>> spotting, those melanocytes don't cover as much of the surface of the
> dog...
>> when white areas are larger, the pigmented areas recede in a somewhat
>> predictable manner (ie, the tip of the muzzle is the last area to get
>> pigment as the melanocytes migrate, and the first to lose it when a dog
>> inherits the gene for white spotting ;-).  When there is a lot of white on
>> the head, you may see little "islands" of pigmented fur around the ears
> and
>> in the middle of the forehead corresponding to the 3 "original" pools of
>> pigment producing cells... the melanocytes in those dogs don't migrate
> very
>> far from their location of origin ;-).  For whatever reason, the Spaniel
>> people decided to name that forehead spot.
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>> Mary
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>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:13 PM, M.L. Church wrote:
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>> I don't mean I don't see the spot, my eyes aren't that bad - I just don't
>> understand the reference.
>> 
>> ML
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>> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask]
>> <http:[log in to unmask]>  >
>> wrote:
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>> 
>> From: Mary Peaslee<[log in to unmask]
>> <http:[log in to unmask]>  >
>> Subject: Re: [FARMCOLLIE] something new
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> <http:[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 1:55 PM
>> 
>> Ginger Busta's new pup from Carol Greet has one as well... I don't think
>> Ginger will mind if I attach a photo she recently shared.  Very cute pair
>> :-).  The big guy, Tank, is from Kris Hazelbaker's Mace and Sue Hagle's
>> Mona.
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>> 
>> Mary
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>> <TankandLark.jpg>
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>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Rini wrote:
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>> Very gratifying.
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>> And it looks like one of the pups has a Blemheim spot on the top of his
>> blaze; it's the only one I've ever seen on an ES except for Robbie.
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>> Rini
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>>    <Sept3-bellepups.jpg>
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