I've been working on the comparison chart some more.. this time I added some pictures. They say a picture's worth a thousand words but they don't know my pictures. I can't draw fer the life of me but i can edit pretty good - so I took one of my favorite collie drawings from one of my favorite collie books (Bob son of Battle) and modified it three times in an attempt to make it look more like each of the three breeds. I feel like I did okay with the Aussie and the ES and I'm okay for a rough coated, prick eared BC except i'm not satisfied with the muzzle... but this is a start at a comparison drawing anyway. Ideally the aussie should be a little smaller but otherwise what do you all think? I think I'll try to modify it again for a modern collie too just to see how that comes out - jan (ps - the chart is at: http://www.uvm.edu/~jhilborn/whatbreed.html and the original picture of Bob is at http://www.uvm.edu/~jhilborn/bob.GIF )