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In a message dated 10/2/98 9:36:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << I saw that BC color up close and personal. If the dog was a cocker, it would be called a roan. Not sure what its called in herding dogs... >> This the same color as in Australian Cattle Dogs -- very heavy ticking or roaning, although in Cattle Dogs they just call it "blue" (or "red" in the red-ticked dogs). Linda R.