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Re: valve leaks
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"Stephen S. Howe" <[log in to unmask]>
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Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:07:31 -0400
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Hi David!

We have one of the first MultiPreps constructed here in Albany, but 
the valve arrangement in our unit is slightly different from that in 
yours.  However, we have had infrequent problems with the teflon at 
the tip of the valve stems not sealing, usually due to some defect or 
scratch.  Once a problem with sealing occurs, I've never had much 
luck other than to replace the valve, which can get expensive if you 
have to do it frequently.  The only other thing I do is wrap the 
metal threads of the valves with teflon tape.  I would be very 
surprised if the teflon is being affected by cold temperatures.  As 
you say, they are not close enough to the chiller's probe to cool 
down significantly.

Since you just serviced your chiller, are you sure that the leaks are 
around your valves and not at the o-ring that separates the water 
trap body from the chiller's probe?  With our MultiPrep arrangement, 
a thick viton o-ring separates a stainless steel flange on the body 
of the water trap from a stainless steel flange, or collar, that is 
welded to the end of the chiller's probe that is closest to the 
flexible pipe coming from the chiller itself.  The o-ring seals by 
being squeezed between these two flanges by 8 screws and nuts.  If 
your system is like ours, not only does the o-ring need to be 
perfectly centered on the flanges, but it must also be squeezed 
uniformly (by tightening opposing screws carefully) but not overly 
tight.  Sometimes the screws loosen initially as the trap is brought 
down to -100蚓 and then warmed up over several cycles and must be 
tightened again.  If an o-ring has been in the trap for awhile, I 
usually replace it with a new one rather than reuse it as it either 
gets scratched or its pliability is no longer good enough to seal 
well.  I'd check to make sure your leak isn't at this o-ring.

Hope this helps!  Please let me know the ultimate outcome of your repairs.

Steve


>Hello,
>
>I have a problem with leaking valves on my Micromass multiprep (old 
>style valve arrangement).  A couple of months ago I replaced all the 
>valve stems and cleaned the inside thoroughly.  All valves were leak 
>tested and were fine.  After that the chiller for the cold finger 
>failed and it has been serviced.  The refrigeration tech measured 
>the probes temperature as -88, which is OK.  Judging by the amount 
>of ice buildup it is working much better than it has for a long 
>time.  I also replaced the insulation around the trap.
>
>On Tuesday I realised that valve AD had a smal leak - enough to ruin 
>the results (AD is the inlet valve).  I cleaned the teflon plug and 
>the metal seat but that didn't help.  So I reseated the teflon into 
>the seat by gently heating the valve block with the valve closed. 
>After numerous iterations I got the leak to be very small, so I put 
>the chiller on.  As soon as it got down to temperature the leak 
>returned.  I also found that AB (downstream from the cold trap) has 
>started leaking.  Returning the unit to room temperature has not 
>solved the problem.
>
>It is starting to look as though the low temperatures are affecting 
>the teflon but I find that surprising.  Firstly, the blocks did not 
>feel very cold and no frost forms on them.  Second, I haven't seen 
>this behaviour in the past 10 years.  Does anyone know the thermal 
>properties of teflon?  Have I missed something obvious?
>
>thank you,
>David
>
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>
>David Wheeler
>
>Professional Officer
>Geochemistry Laboratory
>School of Earth and Environmental Sciences       
>University of Wollongong,              
>Wollongong, 2522, NSW         
>Australia
>
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