Our reality is just shadows in the cave - we are living in chains as
Rousseau claimed, and only our construct of civilization can set us
free. We have a lot to learn from these 17 c & 18 c philosophers.
On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Robert Riversong wrote:
> More exquisite rationalization.
>
> The "real" world is exactly what we choose to make it. Every choice
> we make and every action we take creates that world at every moment.
>
> If the only rational way to live was to live by the status quo -
> however imperfect or unjust or cruel or violent - then change would
> be impossible and we may as well accept a Hobbesian existence of
> "war of every man against every man" and a life that is "solitary,
> poor, nasty, brutish and short".
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Jeff Hodgson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: Jeff Hodgson <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: BSR - VT Solar Hot Water Workshops 2010 Series!
> To: "VGBN Discussion" <[log in to unmask]>, "Robert Riversong" <[log in to unmask]
> >
> Cc: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:24 PM
>
> Sure a sliding scale would be great, but I'm sorry Robert - I'd
> have to agree with Jane & Malcolm. While your logic might make sense
> in a Utopian society - we live in the real world.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:46 PM, "Robert Riversong" <[log in to unmask]
> > wrote:
>
>> Don't even go there. That's the most exquisite rationalization for
>> charging fees for information - and often high fees, since the
>> corollary is that which costs more is more valued.
>>
>> The truth is that people value that which improves their lives,
>> including many things we would not (at least not most of us) even
>> think of charging for, such as friendship, companionship, empathy,
>> physical intimacy and sex, mentoring a child, assisting the elderly
>> or comforting the dying.
>>
>> The measure of a healthy and sustainable society is one in which
>> the most valuable services are part of a gift economy and the rest
>> is bartered.
>>
>> --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Jane Griswold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> From: Jane Griswold <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: BSR - VT Solar Hot Water Workshops 2010 Series!
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:35 PM
>>
>> people value more what costs them money - I charge for a
>> consultation because the money makes the client pays attention to
>> what I say - same with seminars
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Malcolm Gray <[log in to unmask]
>> > wrote:
>> It costs to formulate and present, reasonable price for the
>> information. still live in capitalism. Malcolm/Montpelier
>> Construction
>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Robert Riversong wrote:
>>
>>> If you really wanted to promulgate solar options, you'd make these
>>> workshops free. Those of us who are most interested in lower
>>> impact options are the ones least able to pay such fees.
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 3/9/10, hillary haselton <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: hillary haselton <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: BSR - VT Solar Hot Water Workshops 2010 Series!
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:29 PM
>>>
>>> For those interested!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Solar Hot Water – Workshops – 2010 Series
>>>
>>> What: Building for Social Responsibility (BSR) is proud to present
>>> the 2010 workshop series on domestic solar hot water and space
>>> heating. From March 20th, 2010 through October 16th, 2010
>>> workshops are available across the state. These courses are
>>> recognized by Renewable Energy of Vermont (REV) as credits towards
>>> applying for Solar Thermal Partnership. Learn how to design,
>>> install and maintain solar thermal domestic hot water and space
>>> heating systems for Vermont climate!
>>>
>>> When/Where: All workshops run 8am -5pm and include lunch.
>>> SHW Day 1 -- March 20th Burlington, VT @Vermont
>>> Energy Investment Corp
>>> SHW Day 2 -- April 3rd Montpelier, VT @ City Hall
>>> SHW Day 1 -- May 15th Brattleboro, VT @
>>> BuildingGreen, LLC
>>> SHW Day 2 -- June 24th White River Junction, VT Vermont
>>> @ groSolar
>>> SHW Day 1 -- July 7th Montpelier, VT @ City Hall
>>> SHW Day 2 -- August 5th Burlington, VT @ Vermont
>>> Energy Investment Corp
>>> SHW Day 1 -- September 18th Manchester, VT @ r.k. Miles
>>> SHW Day 2 -- October 21th Middlebury, VT @ tbd
>>>
>>> * Renewable Energy Vermont (REV) Solar Thermal Partnership
>>> approved training course. See details below for more information.
>>>
>>> Who: These workshops are intended for:
>>> - Builders who want to encourage their clients to include
>>> solar hot water in their building and remodeling projects;
>>> - Plumbing and heating contractors who want to learn the
>>> specifics of solar installations for domestic hot water and
>>> heating systems;
>>> - Anyone interested in expanding their knowledge of a
>>> sophisticated renewable technology.
>>> Cost: $285 One Day, $450 Two Days, $45 Discount to BSR Members.
>>> $40 Early Registration Discount (2 weeks prior to workshop date)
>>> Contact BSR for information on plumber discounts.
>>>
>>> Details: This course is recognized by REV. Licensed plumbers who
>>> attend a 8hr workshop will be eligible to apply for "REV Solar
>>> Thermal Provisional partnership". Full Solar Partnership is
>>> awarded to Provisional Partners who complete a dw systems with REV
>>> oversight. Non-licensed plumbing professionals attending both
>>> workshops will receive 16 hours of credit towards eligibility.
>>> Solar Thermal Partnership is required to access Vermont renewable
>>> energy incentives.
>>>
>>> Why Solar Hot Water (SHW)?
>>> SHW the hottest growing green industries in an exploding green
>>> marketplace.
>>> SHW is easily incorporated into building plans and installed on
>>> existing homes.
>>> SHW is the least expensive renewable energy system.
>>> SHW has the #1 Return on the Investment (ROI) for the homeowner.
>>> SHW makes economic sense.
>>>
>>> Workshop Benefits:
>>> Learn how to design, install and maintain solar thermal domestic
>>> hot water and space heating systems for Vermonts climate!
>>> Achieve up to 16 hours of REV approved training credits towards
>>> gaining Solar Partnership.
>>> Start connecting to federal and state incentives that offer up to
>>> 60% off the total installation cost of these systems.
>>> Create contacts and network with supplies, like minded builders
>>> and plumbers.
>>> Gain firsthand knowledge from presenter Michael Horowitz who
>>> brings 25 years of expert experience to the podium.
>>>
>>> Workshop Outlines:
>>> Day 1
>>> Introduction to Solar Domestic Hot Water and Solar Space Heating
>>> Systems appropriate for Vermonts Climate
>>> Domestic Solar Hot Water Component Details
>>> Siting, Sizing and Design of DSHW
>>> Installation & Maintenance for DSHW
>>> Economic Payback Overview & Marketing Strategies for Solar Hot Water
>>> Overview of Federal & State Incentives and the Renewable Energy
>>> Vermont Solar Partnership Application
>>>
>>> Day 2
>>> Solar Space Heating Design Details Including Passive Solar and
>>> Active Solar Sources.
>>> Advanced System Components for DSHW and Solar Space Heating Systems.
>>> Troubleshooting for all Solar Systems and Common Components
>>> Maintenance Concerns.
>>> Introduction to Solar Mathematics for siting and sizing systems.
>>> Solar Hot Water Marketing and Economic Paybacks Plus Incentives.
>>> Lunch will be provided for all attendees during which networking
>>> will be encouraged and access to our sponsors resources will be
>>> available.
>>>
>>> Hosted By: Building for Social Responsibility, VT Chapter of
>>> Northeast Sustainable Energy Association.
>>> Sponsored by: Sunward, groSolar, Vermont Sustainable Jobs Fund and
>>> BuildingGreen, LLC
>>>
>>> To sign up: Contact Hillary @ 802.825.5957, email [log in to unmask]
>>> or visit www.bsr-vt.org.
>>>
>>> Reserve now while space is available!
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