Thanks for your thought-filled response. To answer some of your questions:
I agree that to have normal MCAs there has to be collateral flow somewhere,
unfortunately, I couldn't identify it. Such frustation!
Superior thyroid was not not especially pronounced, however, the network of
ECA branches revealed some with antegrade and some with retrograde flow.
Flow in the most proximal ECA was antegrade, resembling ICA signal. Not
THe highest velocity in RICA was 134 cm/s. All intracranial vessels were
Did not do periorbital Doppler. Thought seriously about it. THe pts doc
came in and decided that because she was asx, he would not pursue this
further at this time.
I suspect that we will follow her and will be sure to do one when she comes
Until then the mystery remains unsolved.
Hope all is well in PA.
From: Bill Johnson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 9:15 PM
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Subject: Re: interesting carotid with to-fro flow
Bill Johnson, Dunmore, PA writes;
I must assume there is collateral flow from somewhere. I would have to
the ophthalmic was supplying much, if flow was also abnormal in the terminal
ICA on the left also, and the left ECA is compromised by the CCA occlusion.
Not having information about the left ACA is unfortunate. Any hint about
from the right side? Any chance to see across midline from the right
That the PCA's and right ACA were WNL makes speculation difficult. I would
think, for the left MCA to be "normal," there must be an active collateral
somewhere, and a clue to its presence.
This is just speculative, but I wonder if the ECA branches are stealing from
what little flow they can get from the ICA. Could you see the superior
thyroid? In my limited experience with CCA occlusions, it is most often the
branch supplying the bifurcation and maintaining ICA patency. What
was flow in the most proximal ECA, and was it to-fro? If the ECA system did
not have a good collateral source of flow, you would probably have the same
condition found in to-fro flow in a vertebral with a subclavian stenosis.
Would love to see the results of the old-time Periorbital Study. You
remember those still? Might be helpful in this unusual case. I think the
left ICA is trying to meet the needs of the external and cerebral
simultaneously. Just depends what part of the cardiac cycle where the need
is greatest and which way it wants to go.
What were the velocities in the right ICA? And the means in the right ACA,
PCA and left PCA. That might be helpful. Were they "high" normal? Seems
obvious the left ICA is not helping much.
Sounds like an interesting case study.