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SKIVT-L  November 2001, Week 3

SKIVT-L November 2001, Week 3

Subject:

Round Flex? (*** Tele gear head warning ***)

From:

Denis Bogan <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:14:13 -0800

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Hmm.  Thought about this, see below.  Much navel comtemplation follows,
none of which has any redeeming value except possibly to a tele gear head.


Those early 90s Cirques may have been the best ever traditional straight
skinny non shaped tele ski.  From the early 70s start of the tele revival
until the early 90s, aggressive tele skiing was mostly via the tele
2-step; a step stem, then lift the rear ski, then slam it down for speed &
direction control.  Step - slam.  I learned it very quickly and employed
it very successfully in serious bumps & even on Tuck's headwall with
leather boots.  It was a natural because I learned to ski via the Arlberg
method in which the stem Christie was the baseline turn.  The first step
of the stem christie is also the first step of the 2-step tele.  The
2-step tele begins from the finish of the previous turn with heavy on the
rear half of the front foot.  A stiff tail helps that particular technique
because the rebound off that loaded tail helps to launch the step into the
new turn.  With modern shaped skis and equal weighting throughout the turn
a stiff tail would be a liability.  Take a look at and compare the skiing
in "The Telemark Movie" and "Revenge of the Telemarkers" (late 80s early
90s) to that in "Beyond the Groomed" and "Big Mountain - Little Skier"
(modern technique).  I think the comparison is amazing.  We have come a
long way in a short time.

>From:         Dana Dorsett <[log in to unmask]>
 Subject:      Re: Phat phloats..

>>> Denis Bogan <[log in to unmask]> writes:

>>> DB said >> For all of my tele life I have been hearing about how you
need
 > a nice soft
 >  > round flex because tele is a 2 ski technique.  It makes sense and
Paul
 >  > Parker writes it very convincingly.  The only thing is I have used
some
 >  > stiff hard skis for tele and loved them.<<<
 >
 >> Dana said> Roundness of flex rather than softness seems to make a
bigger
 > difference.<<
 >
 DB> This helps make my point.  Those early 90s Cirques had a tail that
was
 > much stiffer than the tip, not a round flex at all, yet they were
widely
 > regarded as the best tele ski ever at the time.  How do you explain
that?

DD> Not sure- a lot of classic slaloms skis had kick butt tails and noodly
tips
 too and telemarked OK.  The stiffness of the tail allows you to get a bit
of
 kick out of the finish of the turn even at low speed once you figure out
the
 technique, but they sure don't carve as precisely of a stiffer overall
but
 rounder GS ski. I think people just learned to love that bit o' kick
doin'
 the fall-line dance.  For sure a stiff tail is much less a handicap than
a
 stiff middle section with a very soft leading & trailing edge.  While the
 ATVs are fun to ski, they aren't as forgiving of fore/aft imbalance as
the
 rounder flexing K2 Flight/X fat-grrl skis.

 One of the stiffest tele skis in my quiver are some skinny Dynastar tele
 racers.  They're ultra-snappy and have a lot of camber, but the flex is
 ultra round.  Skiing groomers and ice they're incredibly grippy and carve
 very cleanly at moderate to high speeds. They stab rather than bust crud
 though, so in the rough they're something of a nightmare compared to you
 softy-tipped Cirques or a fatter Rossi 4S rec-slalom ski.  But for laying
 down high speed arcs on porcelain they're quite a delight (unlike the
 Cirque, in my limited experience with them.)

DB>> My explaination is, take everything that the gurus say with a grain
of
 > salt.  Or, what you like is what matters, not what the gurus say you
 > should like.

DD> True enough, but something tells me it's possible to learn to like
just
 about any decent ski, and it's getting harder to find truly indecent
ones.
 (I thought I'd never like the Telepathic for instance, but after skiing a
 number of other tele-shapers I didn't find their quirks nearly as
annoying
 as the first couple of times I had demoed them. After the last time I
skied
 them I kinda missed the zing out of the turn on that edgy tail when I
 climbed back on the shapely but more taper-angled Atomic 3.20 noodles for
 the next run.)



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