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SKIVT-L  January 2002, Week 5

SKIVT-L January 2002, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Wax? Bah Humbug

From:

Janet Starr RN <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:04:32 -0500

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Dave Mann <[log in to unmask]> writes:

> > From: Janet Starr RN [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Maybe klisters aren't his game?
>
> I have faith in Denis!  Besides, the move from red wax
> to klister isn't very far.  That parc is bubble gum
> in a can.  In fact, I would rather deal with tube of
> slime than red wax.

I dunno, red klister seems to find its way into more stuff than red
bubble-gum, but neither taste very good.  The klister makes a better denture
adhesive though.

> > The silver klister/red hard wax mix isn't too bad at all
> > (which is pretty much what the Swix 2-wax system is really.)
>
> Can you describe how you mix the two?  I've heard that
> silver klister is very good for mixing with other
> klisters to keep the base from picking up dirt and such,
> especially just above freezing.  I've not had good luck
> at getting decent grip with it though; at least not any
> better than stock Universal klister.  Thoughts?

If I'm thinkin' ahead (occasionally happens, despite my best efforts)
crayoning on some red, then buttering it up with some silver klister,
hot-waxing it with a quick pass of the iron wil get it to mix prettey well.
When I'm not thinking ahead (my more usual form) slightly gobby application
of red wax followed by silver klister, then corking it in seems to work.
The Swix universal warm stick seems to be a pre-mixed slightly harder
variation on silver klister/red mix, and while it's not great at any
tempereture, it's not too bad over quite  a range.  Above 35F it's a bit too
sticky though.

> > Not experienced enough with it to go around recommending it to
> > people though.
>
> Wimp.  ;^)

Nah- chicken.  I go out on limbs all too often, sometimes have to pay for
it, since I never really know what I'm talkin' about, just make it up as I
go along... :-)

> > The bases get a bit slow if left to oxidize, not that you'd
> > notice on your touring skis the way you would on your XC race skis.
>
> Could you explain oxidation?  My understanding is that its a
> change in the sintered base that prevents good wax retention, no?

Seems to be something like that- let your bases get good and dried out a few
times, seems like the wax never lasts very long thereafter (particularly the
glide-wax)

> I've been re-reading Sindre Bergen's chapter on ski prep and
> he suggests the factors for ski speed are, in order of importance:
> ski flex, proper kick wax, base structure (distant third) and then,
> glide wax.  Thoughts?

Sounds like a track-skiing double-camber XC point of view.  For alpine
skiing I'd say base structure and glider are more important than flex.  But
in recreational skiing, low-speed glide is more important than hard cruising
glide, in terms of ease of steering turns.  The wax and stucture that's
optimal for DH competition isn't what's optimal for recreational skiing, and
in fact may feel pretty slow/sticky below 15mph. But _any_ base structure
beats polished bases regardless of speed or conditions. For single-camber
tele-whacking it's more like the alpine skiing model than XC track, but any
time you're using kick wax it becomes a predominant factor, especially on
single-camber skis.

dana

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