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SKIVT-L  May 2002, Week 3

SKIVT-L May 2002, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Dog with a bone........

From:

Todd Fisher <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 20 May 2002 18:03:56 +0000

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What about me,  don't I get an explaination ?

btw:  I can show you some really "neat" secret stuff at MRG,  stuff that no
one has ever skied before.  Real pristine terrain for you cruising pleasure.


From: Tag Gross <[log in to unmask]>


Leigh:

I am not saying that the trip to Tremblant was the best most inexpensive
trip available. It was however far cheaper than anything comparable in the
US. Your trips sound amazing Leigh and I look forward to one day joining you
on one. The Auberge looks awesome but as you know it's hard to get into on
short notice. People assume a lot and they perhaps don't realize that I try
to do my homework.You may recall, that when I saw this last minute
opportunity to get another family ski week together and we thoguht of
Canada, I immediately e mailed you to get the township info. However it was
not meant to be this trip.

Matt:

At this point I'm having a hard time following what you are talking about.
This is a discussion list and this is a topic worth discussing. I may be
blunt and to the point but I am not intentionally flaming people. I'm just
not going to let comments that are stereotypical and untrue slide by without
challenging them. I don't care if it's Ramsden and the French or you and
Snobs at Vail. You and others have made some sweeping statements regarding
skiing, snobs, Tremblant the people of Lake Tahoe etc etc. and as far as I
can tell not one of them is based on anything other than vague opinion and
when some kind of backup is requested the conversation is taken in a new
direction.

Let's start with ansome easy ones Matt. DId Jerm have a run in with a local
at Stowe where he was givin' mucho private stash attitude? Yes Did he let it
deter him from discovering all that Stowe has to offer? No. Does this mean
that the people at Stowe or Vermont are jerks? No. Still with me? Ok...then
how do you draw your ridiculous conclusion about "people" in Lake Tahoe
based upon being frowned at?

What's also really funny is that you also still seem to think of yourself as
some kind of special breed of skier:

 >>you can dismiss as parochial and ignorant those who share their
particular
skiing
passions or unconventional ideas with the online world.<<

I have never done any such thing. On the other hand you are very quick to
dismiss those that do not ski your way. Even going so far as to claim to
know what motivates these people and is in their hearts and minds
(apparently nothing as pure and noble as your ski adventures). There is
nothing particularly extraordinary about the what when where and how of your
skiing or the philosophy behind it.

Leave the famous and glitzy resorts to me. I love Aspen. I love Chamonix
(and the real haute route). Give me those rude Tahoe locals. I'll smile at
them as I go around the backside of Emigrant to the Attic and beyond. Let me
take a few corduroy groomers with Stein. In fact leave most of Europe to me
as well. Ask anybody they'll tell you about all the rude people over there.
In fact your right there is no need for you to venture anywhere but General
Stark or Mansfield. I leave it all to you. The thing I really need to figure
out is how more people can be made to see the light of your ski wisdom.



-----Original Message-----
From: Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Matthew Reagan
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 11:39 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] Dog with a bone........


Quoth Tag Gross <[log in to unmask]>;
|
|First of all this whole concept of private stashes that is perpetuated on
|this very list is sickening

I must have been admitted to the list's "in" crowd to get the private
tours and secret tips!  The folks who politely tolerated (encouraged?
supported?) my off-piste gomering must've felt sorry for me.  That
explains it!

Perhaps not flaming people helped my chances.

But wow, read your own posts.  There's been no better example of the
sort of rudeness I complained about than what you just posted.  But
hey, your experience and interactions with famous people tell you what
does and what does not "even compare," and you can dismiss as
parochial and ignorant those who share their particular skiing
passions or unconventional ideas with the online world.  You read such
terrible motives into the opinions presented here, despite the trip
reports and testimonials that provide ample evidence to the contrary.
I'm sorry.  And you wonder why I think many people are missing
something?

If you're looking to make more personal attacks, why not just do it
backchannel?  Mondays are bad enough.  I apologize for dragging this
ugliness onto a public list.

-Matt
http://reagan.mitoc.org/

...I can't get that scene from Ski Movie out of my head: Holmes' royal
procession down the main drag of Truckee... "so fool don't give me a
reason to come to your mountain and school ya next season!"

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