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SKIVT-L  December 2002, Week 1

SKIVT-L December 2002, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Broken Valley was re: evil BV

From:

Nile Schneider <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:39:02 -0400

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A more thought full response. -Nile

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim B." <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] Broken Valley was re: evil BV


> (Sorry for the length and the personal nature of this post.  Please
> disregard if you've no interest in the fortunes of Bolton Valley!)
>
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:01:02 -0500, JOHN MCLAUGHLIN <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >I lived in the town of Bolton for 10 years.   IMO there is nothing at
> >Bolton.   I searched hi and low for a place to cut a shot through the
> >woods.   There is nothing that would allow one to make several linked
> >turns.   Definitely nothing to cause you to break a sweat while skiing.
> Untrue, if you include Solitude and anything off the back of the hill.
> RB and CB and other areas are worth the effort to skin back out.
>
> >Devils play ground - over the rock and it's over.
> Multiple lines, most all short but sweet.  About 10-12 distinct lines from
> Cobrass over to Spillway with varying terrain features that don't get
skied
> out very fast.  Much clandestine work done back there over the years, so
it
> seems. Also nice stuff inbetween the various trails off Vista.  All short
> but fun.
>
> >Lost Boys - in good snow there isn't enough vert to keep you moving.
> True.  Okay at the top, lame lower down. But the new-last-season tween
> trail glade to skier's left of the quad is fun in decent snow.  30-40
> hardwood turns then back out to the regular trail.
>
> >The best trail was Adams Solitude.  Unfortunately the patrol at BV can't
> >ski it so it is now closed.
> Last year it was open.  Lollipop sign at the top saying "unpatrolled".
The
> concern was more getting a sled down it and back out, so it never was put
> on a trail map, but it is advertised as a BV trail. IMHO it keeps a little
> more traffic off it... a good thing.
>
> >For some employees, BV is a religion.   They have created their little
> >fife doms.  IMO these people have hurt BV more then helped it.  They pay
> >little or no attention to what the customers needs.    They seem to be
> >motivated more by the employee needs.  The funny thing is, they are
> >totally blind to this.   Customer complaints mean nothing unless
employees
> >have the same complaints.
>
> In some cases, you are very right.  This was very true during the
> Hamilton's reign.  From that era, only 4-5 key people remain. Very poor
> mgmt., if I may be so bold, during those 3 seasons, including myself in
> that blame to a certain extent.  Fries does not have a ton of $ to spend
on
> the marketing to attract tons of out-of-staters at the moment, and would
> like to serve the local population, but I am sure not at the expense of
> folks like Bruno.  Customer focus must be a top priority. Tons of feedback
> last year along the lines of "everyone was very friendly, family had a
> great time, uncrowded, good snow compared to other places, but the
> restaurant was slow and the rooms weren't always clean on time".
>
> >The Patrol is the worst!
> Most are wonderful people... most are also not "expert" skiers.  In all
> honesty, given the lack of serious steeps and often the lack of bumps at
BV
> as well as the large number of kids sking there, medical skills are
> definitely more important there than skiing skiils.  I fully agree they
> were far too conservative with trail openings last year and I plead this
> case often to little avail.  To their credit this year, Devil's Playground
> and Preacher are already open.
>
> >The reeb league is fun, but has been poorly run most years.
> True, from what I have heard.  Last year seemed to me an improvement from
> the feedback I heard.  On the flipside, I have yet to understand why it is
> a badge of honor to race in reeb league and not pay your registration fee
> or buy a ticket.  Is it a thrill?  I'm sure you have paid for more than
> your share of BV tickets, John, but is poaching a way to "get back" at the
> mgmt. for the poor service?  No other mtn. in the area provides a night
> time racing venue.  Many people in this area love to race after their
> college or high school careers are over, so it seems as if the service
> would be valuable enough to pay for.
>
> BTW, Ben B., BV had two teams last year, and Kathleen (possibly) and I
plan
> to be on one.  I'm sure there are openings.  Just let me know.  Last year
a
> guy on tele race gear won the adjusted fastest time of the night several
> times.  They do need to police that a bit, though.  I'm sure not all his
> turns were genuflections!
>
> >I did a WIZN fun race.   The prize was a trip to Montreal to see the
> >Bruins. I won the race.   At the award ceremony they decided to give a
> >handicap to Hans Hoover, based on the Thursday league handicaps.   They
> >refused to give me the handicap that I normally get.   So Hans won.
> That sucks.  Hans is a great guy, and one of the best 70+ skiers I've ever
> seen, but it still sucks.  When did that happen?
>
> >I won't even touch food and beverage. . .
> Bob Fries has the former head of food and beverage (for over 5 years, I
> believe) from Beaver Creek(!) now calling the shots at the BV food and
> beverage outlets.  I fully agree, hands down the worst run dept. at BV
last
> year.  My guess is that will change quite a bit with folks who know what
> they're doing at the helm.
>
> >Bolton Valley's knickname has always been Broken Valley.  Sounds like it
> >will continue.  If I bought BV, I would:
> >-  refuse to hire back most of the old employees.
> >  (of coures I would hire Jim B).
> Why thanks!
> >-  require patrolers to take lessons.
> >- move the night skiing to the quad.
> Shorter season by about 3 weeks 500 feet down the hill.  Still, I could
see
> stringing lights down there and expanding the night skiing, solidifying
> BV's hold on that niche in the area.  Making Timberine a more inviting,
> perhaps sports bar theme venue has also been considered for some time.  It
> would make live bands down there, and a more sedate atmosphere for
families
> in James Moore Tavern, a possibility...
>
> >- promote the XC center more.   Try to get more races there.
> Had one of the most prestigous U.S. hosted nordic races (Spring Series)
> outside of the Olympic Trials there last spring. It was a steal from
> Idaho.  Monumental effort to keep the snow conditions skiable in the warm
> weeks leading up to the race. Raves from the competitors about how good
the
> course was.  No local media would come up to cover it despited repeated
> phone calls and faxes, save One Free Press blurb.  March Madness and local
> high school sports stole the thunder that week.
>
> High school and college races happened most every weekend.  They should be
> back by next season.  Strong possibility of a Nordic World Cup event there
> if things go right.  Does need a _lot_ more promoting of the area, though.
>
> >I truly hope that Bruno's experience is not the norm.
> >I would like to see BV thrive.    Unfortunately it seems to be cursed.
>
> Bottom line is in the last ten years (most folks memories of the place
> further back than that are quite positive), you had a increasingly
bankrupt
> Ralph Deslauriers letting things go to pot, a very naive Mason Dwinell in
> over his head, and a well-meaning but also over his head an inexperienced
> (in ski area mgmt.) Ned Hamilton at the helm.  Lack of continuity  means
> declining service levels.  For roughly 24 years the place did quite well,
> as far as I can tell, and I firmly believe it does have it's place in the
> quiver of VT ski areas.  Negative PR like Bruno's and John's won't help,
> but they are the result of real and repeated negative experiences with a
> struggling mountain, and are of course completely legitimate.  My hope is
> that will change, but the jury is indeed still out.
>
> -Jim B.
>
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