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SKIVT-L  August 2003, Week 3

SKIVT-L August 2003, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Not a glacier? wuz St. Mary's Glacier report

From:

Denis Bogan <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:51:13 -0700

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It sure looked like it was a permanent snowfield not a glacier.  This
picture, taken in late summer 2002 suggests that even permanent may be a
misnomer.  You have to scroll down a bit.

http://www.telemarktalk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=10032&forum=1&9

As others have pointed out a true glacier flows downhill.  When snow is
put under enough pressure, from the weight of more snow and ice above, it
becomes semi plastic ice and will flow downhill.  In doing this it grinds
rocks into a talcum powder fine grit.  The light scattering power of this
suspended grit causes the brilliant aquamarine color of glacially fed
lakes and streams.  Light scattering by particulates is proportional to
the 4th power of frequency.  The lake below St. Mary's has a hint of that
color but it isn't nearly as dramatic as the lakes around Banff, like Lake
Louise.  St. Mary's and the Palmer snowfield that comprises the Timberline
OR summer lift served skiing are today snowfields but were probably
glaciers and perhaps part of much larger glaciers 15,000 yrs. ago.

I did find dried gray glacier-like grit on my bindings after the St.
Mary's trip.  I've got to spray them down with a garden hose so that the
grit doesn't damage the pivot points and compression springs.  Volcanic
grit will ruin bindings too and when I did summer race camp at Mt.
Bachelor they had high pressure hoses back at the lodge and we all used
them daily.  It is doubly important because they "winterized" the race
course with salt which is also very bad for bindings.  The grit on St.
Mary's may have been there for thousands of years for all I know.  True
glaciers have crevasses which makes them very dangerous; a true glacier
would be more than worthy of that ludicrous warning sign.

6 or more years ago there was a forum called rec.skiing which was truly
great.  It split off into various daughter forums and the alpine
component, rec.skiing.alpine (rsa) degenerated into madness.  I mean this
literally.  I haven't looked at rsa for years, but it all wound up in
court and I don't even know how it came out.  There is a liberal
sprinkling of former rsa'ers on this list, Dana, myself, Wes, Renson,
Guido, Mann, etc.  One of the Legends of rs, also the moderator of
rec.backcountry, also a veteran of hundreds of search & rescue operations
on and around glaciers, was a guy named Gene Miya.  Dave Mann occasionally
speaks of him with reverence.  He deserves it.  Gene used to say he skied
for NASA, which is true.  He is a glacialogist who has made many trips to
Antarctica.  NASA has a keen interest in Antarctica which is the best
place in the world to find meteorites.  Mid continent is a desert with
well under an inch of precipitation per year.  What does fall is extremely
light dry snow and it sublimes away about as fast as it falls and is
scoured by fierce winds.  On a 2 mile thick glacier that has formed over
millions of years, any rock you find on the surface will be a meteorite
and it may have sat there for 50,000 yrs. before being picked up.  This of
course is very interesting to scientists.

Getting back to the original point Gene once published a graphic
description of what it must be like to die in a crevasse.  First you fall
several dozen feet, the crack closes slowly with depth so you are brought
to a halt fairly gently, you inhale, you exhale and suddenly drop another
6 inches.  Slowly after many breaths your body is squeezed until you can
no longer breath.  The victims cry silently in the last few seconds of
consciousness.  The bodies are always found with frozen tears on their
cheeks.  I think I will do my best to stay out of both crevasses and
avalanches.   Gene was often kind of a harsh scold on rs (a Janet) and I
had a few backchannel disputes with him.  Then he posted a statement that
he had just gone to his third funeral for a mountaineering friend in that
year.  I sent condolences backchannel and we became friends.  He comes to
my office to visit sometimes on trips to DC.  In person he is a delightful
high spirited science nerd kind of guy who you would never pick out of a
crowd as doing what he does.

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