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On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, at 11:45 PM, Mitchel Cohen wrote:
> I've sent the following message to several Green lists. Please scroll
> to see my action proposal. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
> Thank you.
> - Mitchel Cohen
> [log in to unmask] wrote:
> >The Naderites only rationale for voting for Nader in swing states
> the absurd claim that Bush is no more pernicious than Kerry ..... <
> This is not the claim that I and others who are supporting Ralph Nader
> making. Of course an overt fascist like the Bush cabal is more
> than an Exxon-fawning corporate clone like Kerry. (Please note,
> that "pernicious" does not necessarily translate to "more dangerous".)
> Seth also misstates Kolko's position, as "a Bush victory will lead to
> a world catastrophe that Europe will be mored likely to establish an
> alternative axis opposed to US hegemony. (Kolko) "
> No, that is not Kolko's (or my) position. Kolko and others write the
> opposite: That DESPITE Bush's more pernicious mentality, the US
> government's quest for empire under Bush and the Neo-Cons (sounds like
> punk rock group) gets bogged down in places like Iraq, while Kerry's
> multi-lateral imperialism may end up being far more successful,
> leading to
> much WIDER wars with millions of more people killed.
> Kolko is NOT saying that the worse things get, the better for the
> as Seth alleges. He's saying that things may actually be far worse
> under Kerry.
> Now, whether that will turn out to be the case ..... who knows?
> All I know is, these email barrages by several on this listserve,
> trying to
> convince others whom to vote for are taking away dramatically from any
> discussion of serious radical Green strategy. No matter which
> candidate you
> support, I suppose we can all agree that we want Nader, Cobb and
> in the debates! Here's an opportunity to actually DO SOMETHING -- to
> blockade the debates and demand that they be "open" to 3rd Party
> candidates, and while doing so we raise all the issues that are being
> excluded by Bush and Kerry.
> Can we shift the debate on this and other Green lists to "How do we
> accomplish that strategy"? Will Nader, Cobb, Badnarik, show up at the
> official debates and demand to be included, and FIGHT for that right?
> will they wimp out and desert us, too? We have around one week to get
> together. I know that in St. Louis, antiwar activists are beginning to
> mobilize around the October 9 (I think) debate there.
> I urge Seth, Charles, Joe, Bill, Shelley W. -- have you noticed that
> debate has degenerated into all males? -- to STOP the foolish
> bantering and
> let's ORGANIZE together around this common demand.
> Mitchel Cohen