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SKIVT-L  March 2006, Week 3

SKIVT-L March 2006, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Only 20 Days Left

From:

Bruno deBiasi <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:07:48 -0500

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Why Sun Valley?

On 3/16/06, Tag Gross <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Glad to see it was on your must ski list. That's really the point, JH is a
> must ski and especially this year.
>
> - Snow quality is mediocre.
>
> This is silly. JH get's some of the lightest and driest snow there is. I
> don't think that I have actually ever been out there when the snow wasn't
> excellent. However, all resorts can have their bad periods.
>
> - Because of the insane skier volume, it gets tracked out really fast.
>
> No more so than an Aspen Highlands or Squaw Valley or any resort that draws
> excellent skiers. You want untracked for days you ski Snowmass. Where else
> can youski out the gates into terrain like that available at JH? Then you
> have powder for a long long time,
>
> - It's actually rather small.  At 2400 acres....
>
> I find ski area stats to be about the most meaningless in any field. JH has
> the steepest, longest, most consistent pitches of any area in NA and The
> Hobacks are without question the best powder skiing in the US.
>
> - Its lift system is so old and slow, that you spend way too much time in
> line.  What, exactly, is so great about a tram that makes you wait 45
> minutes?
>
> It ain't the best but on the tram when you consider that you can ski open
> bowls, tight chutes and trees all in one run it's pretty special.
>
> - What a pain it is to get to.  Flying in to town is challenging, and
> getting from town to the mountain is unpleasant.  Far more enjoyable are the
> places like Park City, Aspen, Breckenridge or Whistler, where you can walk
> to the lifts.
>
> You can't compare ease of access of other areas to SLC areas. I'm on a one
> stop/no plane change flight. That's pretty easy access and the airport is 30
> minutes from Teton Village. As far as ski towns, yes Aspen is wonderful, so
> is the Intrawest village at Whistler (great skiing when it isn't raining and
> socked in) so is the one at Squaw. You haven't even mentioned Telluride! But
> in JH I am walking to the lifts also. I can find negatives for most areas.
> But let's at least not put in an area like Breckenridge in the mix. Come on.
> Park City is a great town but I'd ski elsewhere if I was in Utah.
>
> So top 10 must ski areas (N.A. Only) in order would be:
>
> Squaw Valley
> Aspen/Aspen Highlands/Snowmass
> Jackson Hole
> Banff/Lake Louise
> Mammoth
> Alta/Snowbird
> Whistler/BC
> Telluride
> Taos
> Stowe
>
> Bonus: Sun Valley
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of David Merfeld
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:18 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] Only 20 Days Left
>
>
> --Tag Gross wrote:
>
> You will still be able to access the terrain but not via the same route.
> They will add another chair that goes up rendezvous from a different area
> and it will take multiple lifts to reach the top. A new tram was estimated
> to cost $25 million. It's really going to be something that changes the
> experience there dramatically. That last rise is incredible and of course
> you cruise by Corbet's and S&S.  For those of you on a budget there's Hostel
> X or staying in Jackson itself instead of Teton Village. It's been a good
> snow year there this year, I believe they are already well over 400".
>
> My one piece of advice after 40+  years for anyone who is a skier is to not
> miss this. Max out your credit cards, borrow the money, sell your kids but
> get out there.
>
> --End of Quote--
>
> Back in 1994, after 25 years of XC skiing, I decided to try telemarking.
> That first year, I spent a week at Jackson Hole.  Being immortal, I
> naturally just took the tram up to the top, on my first run, and tried to
> ski down Rendezvous bowl.  Well, **that** was an interesting run.
>
> In the 11 years since, I have skied a fair number of the classic resorts in
> North American.  This weekend I aim to finish up the list of must-ski
> mountains in Colorado, by hitting Snowmass (Ajax and Aspen Highlands were my
> wife's and my anniversary present to ourselves a few years ago).
>
> Just last month, we took the kids to JH and Yellowstone.  It was really kind
> of surprising, after the intervening years, to compare JH to the
> competition.  All in all, I found the place disappointing.  Why?
>
> - Snow quality is mediocre.  It faces East, fergunnissake.  Last time I
> checked, north was the preferred direction.  In neither trip did I get
> anything that resembled good snow.  There was plenty of good snow out there,
> in the backcountry or at Snow King, but JH had none of it.
>
> - Because of the insane skier volume, it gets tracked out really fast.
> Three days after a storm, I was getting fresh tracks at Snow King, but a day
> earlier I found none at JH.
>
> - It's actually rather small.  At 2400 acres, it used to be considered big.
> But compare it to the current crop, and you don't even make the cut unless
> you have at least 4K.
>
> - Its lift system is so old and slow, that you spend way too much time in
> line.  What, exactly, is so great about a tram that makes you wait 45
> minutes?
>
> - This one is a pure personal taste thing, but I find open bowls all pretty
> much the same, and much prefer trees.
>
> - What a pain it is to get to.  Flying in to town is challenging, and
> getting from town to the mountain is unpleasant.  Far more enjoyable are the
> places like Park City, Aspen, Breckenridge or Whistler, where you can walk
> to the lifts.
>
> Comparing JH to other mountains, I must conclude that it is resting on its
> laurels.
>
> --David Merfeld
>
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