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Sorry, this would have been a better link. From about 1 year ago, a summary
of comments from MEDLIB-L subscribers on UpToDate, FirstConsult, and
Dynamed.
http://listserv.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0511B&L=MEDLIB-L&P=R1715&I=-3
On 11/3/06, David Rothman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> See previous thread from MEDLIB-L Archives, "UpToDate versus DynaMed":
> http://listserv.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0611A&L=MEDLIB-L&P=R3289&I=-3
>
> Also see:
> "For comparison purposes, other resources that fall into the same clinical
> evidence-based category are UpToDate and FIRSTConsult. Like FIRSTConsult,
> DynaMed is targeted to primary care providers, while UpToDate is aimed at
> internal medicine and selected subspecialty practitioners. Also like
> FIRSTConsult, its structure and content format is designed for quick lookup
> at the point of care. Primary care providers including physicians,
> residents, physicians' assistants, and nurse practitioners are the target
> users for this database and would find it very useful. This resource would
> also be very useful to health sciences students."
> DynaMed
> J Med Libr Assoc. 2005 July; 93(3): 412–414.
> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1175815
>
> Best,
>
> -David
>
> http://davidrothman.net
>
>
>
>
> On 11/3/06, Johnson, James R <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > My impression from the reviews is that DynaMed is aimed more at the
> > primary care setting while UpToDate is more geared to the medical
> > specialties. Is that a fair assessment?
> >
> >
> > James R Johnson MSLS
> > VA Pittsburgh Healthcare System
> > Aspinwall Library 142D-A
> > Delafield Road
> > Pittsburgh PA 15240
> >
> > phone (412) 784-3747
> > fax (412) 784-3508
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask] ] On Behalf Of Joseph, Claire
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:55 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: UpToDate: a Rant
> >
> > Hi--We just got DynaMed; it really is a superior product, but it has a
> > different format, really "point of care" (as it's advertised) rather
> > than the "essay" style of UpToDate. The docs are familiar with UpToDate
> > and are reluctant to change, but DynaMed is affordable while UpToDate is
> >
> > not.
> > If anyone has any ideas about MARKETING DynaMed, please let me know!
> > Thanks,
> > Claire
> >
> > Claire B. Joseph, MS, MA, AHIP
> > Director, Medical Library
> > South Nassau Communities Hospital
> > One Healthy Way
> > Oceanside, NY 11572
> > 516-632-3452 (phone)
> > 516-766-3857 (fax)
> > [log in to unmask]
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List
> > [mailto: [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen Dillon
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:36 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: UpToDate: a Rant
> >
> > We are also in the process of renewal and have been looking at options
> > for our large, multi-hospital system where our number one question is -
> > "Can I access UTD from home." Questions about access arose as a result
> > of questionnaires UTD required from our IT department. We also had a
> > site visit from UTD which provided me an opportunity to express how
> > out-of-date their business model is.
> >
> > We have had a trial for DynaMed for the past two months and have
> > received some positive response; however, the product does not yet meet
> > the needs of our customers. UTD has done their job marketing to
> > physicians and change to another vendor will be a huge dissatisfier. I
> > have asked some of the docs to express concern about the remote access
> > issue to UTD reps should they see them at conferences. Perhaps their
> > opinion will have some impact. I will keep looking options.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Karen Dillon, MLS
> > Manager, Library Services
> > Carilion Health System
> > PO Box 13367, Roanoke, VA 24033
> > 540.981.7258 (v) 540.981.8666 (f)
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > >>> Susan Klawansky <[log in to unmask]>
> > 11/2/2006 5:42:03 PM >>>
> > Hi Medlibbers - I MUST share this information; it's just too
> > unbelievable.
> >
> > We've subscribed to UpToDate for several years, and our renewal is upon
> > us.
> > We were recently sent a form to complete, in which we had to verify
> > that the statistics we submit to the AHA (upon which UTD bases its
> > hospital subscription costs) were accurate, and that all our satellite
> > locations were represented in those figures.
> >
> > So, what, we lied to the AHA, but will now tell the truth to UTD???
> >
> > In addition, it appears that UTD went trolling on our website, and
> > discovered several satellite locations they didn't know about. Those
> > locations don't see patients (they are research facilities within larger
> > office buildings in the same city as our hospital) and are the result of
> >
> > insufficient space on our main campus. So, UTD asked for numbers of
> > physicians who work out of those locations.
> >
> > After scrounging around for the numbers, I reported back - 27 physicians
> > work there part time (the rest of the time they're back on our main
> > campus or elsewhere).
> >
> > Today, UTD called me, and here's what they're offering: pretty much the
> > same price (roughly $XX,XXX) as last year for all the locations they
> > previously knew about AND ANOTHER $XX,XXX to cover the 27 physicians who
> >
> > work part time out of the two research facilities (because they are not
> > covered in the patient statistics). Or, I can cut those locations out,
> > so when a doc is standing on our main campus she can use UTD, but when
> > she's standing in her research office she can't. Though all our
> > locations are on a single computer network, our IT staff would have to
> > find a way to restrict access to UTD to those two locations AND certify
> > to UTD that they had done so.
> >
> > ARE THESE PEOPLE INSANE?? Really, in all my years of doing this work,
> > I've never encountered such irrational, paranoid, punitive behavior in a
> > vendor.
> > Sure, we all know about the greed and the incompetence of some vendors,
> > but this rises to a whole new level of arrogance.
> >
> > Toward the end of the conversation, they told me that our usage was
> > three times greater than other hospitals of our type, implying that
> > either there was some kind of malfeasance going on, or that we must be
> > prepared to pay for our crime of actually using their product.
> >
> > Just for some basic information, we're a private, not-for-profit
> > pediatric teaching hospital. We are unaffiliated (in terms of
> > ownership) with any other institution. We have a single administration.
> >
> >
> > This kind of egregious behavior has to be shared. I pray fervently that
> > sooner rather than later, I can dump UTD in favor of something else.
> > Of
> > course when I said that to my callers, they had no response. I don't
> > think they would care in the least.
> >
> > Susan Klawansky
> > Children's Hospital & Regional Medical Center Seattle, WA
> > [log in to unmask]
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Week 4 December 2000, Week 3 December 2000, Week 2 December 2000, Week 1 November 2000, Week 5 November 2000, Week 4 November 2000, Week 3 November 2000, Week 2 November 2000, Week 1 October 2000, Week 5 October 2000, Week 4 October 2000, Week 3 October 2000, Week 2 October 2000, Week 1 September 2000, Week 5 September 2000, Week 4 September 2000, Week 3 September 2000, Week 2 September 2000, Week 1 August 2000, Week 5 August 2000, Week 4 August 2000, Week 3 August 2000, Week 2 August 2000, Week 1 July 2000, Week 5 July 2000, Week 4 July 2000, Week 3 July 2000, Week 2 July 2000, Week 1 June 2000, Week 5 June 2000, Week 4 June 2000, Week 3 June 2000, Week 2 June 2000, Week 1 May 2000, Week 5 May 2000, Week 4 May 2000, Week 3 May 2000, Week 2 May 2000, Week 1 April 2000, Week 5 April 2000, Week 4 April 2000, Week 3 April 2000, Week 2 April 2000, Week 1 March 2000, Week 5 March 2000, Week 4 March 2000, Week 3 March 2000, Week 2 March 2000, Week 1 February 2000, Week 5 February 2000, Week 4 February 2000, Week 3 February 2000, Week 2 February 2000, Week 1 January 2000, Week 5 January 2000, Week 4 January 2000, Week 3 January 2000, Week 2 January 2000, Week 1 December 1999, Week 5 December 1999, Week 4 December 1999, Week 3 December 1999, Week 2 December 1999, Week 1 November 1999, Week 5 November 1999, Week 4 November 1999, Week 3 November 1999, Week 2 November 1999, Week 1 October 1999, Week 5 October 1999, Week 4 October 1999, Week 3 October 1999, Week 2 October 1999, Week 1 September 1999, Week 5 September 1999, Week 4 September 1999, Week 3 September 1999, Week 2 September 1999, Week 1 August 1999, Week 5 August 1999, Week 4 August 1999, Week 3 August 1999, Week 2 August 1999, Week 1 July 1999, Week 5 July 1999, Week 4 July 1999, Week 3 July 1999, Week 2 July 1999, Week 1 June 1999, Week 5 June 1999, Week 4 June 1999, Week 3 June 1999, Week 2 June 1999, Week 1 May 1999, Week 5 May 1999, Week 4 May 1999, Week 3 May 1999, Week 2 May 1999, Week 1 April 1999, Week 5 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