What do you mean, virus? It's been scientifically established that the
cause of AIDS is the alignment of Uranus and Pluto with the earth's magnetic
field on the day that one achieves puberty. I have a residual memory of
having read that somewhere. Furthrmore, it's a consequence of quantum
mechanical tunnelling.
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From: Mandi Smallhorne <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Mitchel's Marxism & the Environment talk now on-line
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:16:49 +0200
'Scuse me for butting in, but down here in the south where the real coalface
of the epidemic is, vaccine is not as easily dismissable as pure crap. (And
I must say, I find your 'alleged cause of AIDS' comment very telling in
terms of scientific credibility.) See
http://www.saavi.org.za/1press2007.htm for more.
'"This trial will answer several major scientific issues that face all of us
in the field of HIV-vaccine development," said Lawrence Corey, M.D.,
principal investigator of the HVTN. "It will determine the usefulness of
vaccines that induce high immune response to the parts of the virus that are
similar between different strains of HIV-1."
'Investigators for the South Africa vaccine trial will determine if this
vaccine, which is based on clade B HIV, has the potential to protect against
the clade C virus, the subtype prevalent in South Africa.
'Additionally, the South African study is likely to provide important new
data on how the test vaccine might work in a predominantly heterosexual HIV
epidemic, how well the vaccine works in women, and whether the vaccine works
in populations with pre-existing immunity to the viral vector used in the
vaccine, according to Corey, who is also head of the Infectious Diseases
Program and Virology Division at the University of Washington School of
Medicine.'
Mandi
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Campbell
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Mitchel's Marxism & the Environment talk now on-line
Michael,
You rant, you rave, but you are the one who makes statements
without evidence. These are well-known, published materials. Just because
you don't know about them doesn't make them false.
1. Death by Medicine, published in Life Extension Magazine, based on the
research of Dr. Carolyn Dean and others, and eventually published in the
book Death by Modern Medicine.
2. Adult Stem Cells: http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics4.asp
I would add: the search for the "AIDS vaccine" is pure crap. There is no
such thing, because the alleged cause of AIDS (HIV) has never been isolated
in quantities. Almost the entire focus of the "AIDS industry" is more toxic
drugs such as Nevirapine.
Finally, it is the isolation of Marxism from practical democratic life
that tore it to shreds. Lenin, in his fervor to create a socialist state,
created the mechanism for its destruction and eventually the destruction of
every socialist revolution. See Braverman, Labor and Monopoly Capital for
the explanation.
Jonathan
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Balter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: Mitchel's Marxism & the Environment talk now on-line
This post from Jonathan Campbell is an example, to me anyway, of the
absolute contempt that some so-called leftists have not just for
science--which could, just perhaps, be justified by the abuses of
science--but for any standards of evidence whatsoever when it comes to
argumentation and debate. In other words, first comes the politics, and then
the "facts" to back them up. Is this any different from the way the Bush
administration justified the war in Iraq? Not in my view.
Let's just take one of Jonathan's statements:
"Why is it that there is no interest in ADULT stem cells, which really
can be
obtained easily (from the patient's intestines) and used easily and
relatively cheaply to re-grow organs?"
Every single clause in this sentence is factually incorrect. If it is
so easy to grow organs from adult stem cells, perhaps Jonathan would like to
tell us where this is actually being done.
As for the pharmaceutical industry, it has a lot to answer for. But do
we base our policies on taking the exact opposite position from everything
it does? How about the attempts to find an AIDS vaccine. Obviously
pernicious, and must mean that a pure leftist should be for continuing the
epidemic, right?
In sum, this is the kind of infantile, ignorant, knee-jerk, no-nothing
leftism that has landed the American left in the toilet for the past 30
years where it will stay until those who want to impress us with how hard
they work and how tirelessly they engage in the struggle actually get their
brains in gear and start acting and thinking in the real world.
Sorry for the rant, but we had a dream once and too many leftists have
turned it into a fantasy with this kind of crap.
Michael
www.michaelbalter.com
On 2/15/07, Jonathan Campbell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
The person with chuzpah around here is the Marxist Expert from the
Columbian
White Tower.
Mitchel at least is at least DOING something good for the world
(actually
many things) and I think his critique of Marxist philosophy with
regard to
capitalist progress is right on the money.
Louis, here is something to chew on philosophically (I understand you
have
almost a PhD in this): why are so many extremely wealthy capitalists
and
capitalist foundations connected to the pharmaceutical industry
interested
in a technology (embryonic stem cells) that is supposed to really
solve
diseases, when the primary business model of the pharmaceutical
industry is
long term illness maintenance, having nothing to do with cures or
effective
curative treatment? Why are prominent leftists lining up as a
cheering squad
along with the capitalists for this new technology?
Why is it that there is no interest in ADULT stem cells, which really
can be
obtained easily (from the patient's intestines) and used easily and
relatively cheaply to re-grow organs?
Why is the FDA and the pharmaceutical industry so intent on
regulating
natural supplements (via Codex) when "modern medicine" is the leading
cause
of death in the US (>650,000 per year) and the leading cause of
injury
(millions per year), while the number of people who have died as a
result of
natural supplements is less than a hundred per year, almost
exclusively the
result of not following the label and/or sheer stupidity.
Jonathan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Proyect" <[log in to unmask]>
To: < [log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Mitchel's Marxism & the Environment talk now on-line
> >Stan Goff has kindly posted the talk I gave on January 26, 2007,
at
> >Bertell Ollman's Marxism Seminar, at
>>
>>http://stangoff.com/?p=467
>>
>>You can read the entire talk there -- including the parts that I
had to
>>excise due to time constraints (concerning stem cell research and
the
>>left) and also post your own comments.
>>
>>Thanx.
>>
>>Mitchel
>
> Amazing. Not a single reference to John Bellamy Foster, Paul
Burkett,
> James O'Connor or Mike Davis.
>
> What chutzpah.
>
> --
>
> www.marxmail.org
>
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