I would like to second Charlotte's plea. I'm new to the state and to
this discussion list, and I'm disappointed and kinda baffled that so
much gets discussed only in private replies to public posts. We all
have a lot we can learn from each other. Can't we share our bits and
pieces of information and expetise a bit more with each other publicly?
Charlotte Bill wrote:
> I've read the posts from the two people who responded about this bird's
> likely being a blue jay mimicking a red-shouldered hawk, but after
> reviewing the log of posts since 3/23, I don't see any other responses
> on-list to the post/question containing the audio cue. Could those who
> replied off-list about the bird's sounding like a red-shouldered please
> reply to the list? I had read the numerous responses back when the
> original visual material was posted, and they all helped me in my
> learning curve. Responses to the audio question would help, too. Thanks!
> Charlotte Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Waters"
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> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Raptor call ID help
>> At 8:53 AM -0400 3/23/07, Nancy A. Brown wrote:
>>> Julie did you see the bird?
>> I saw the bird-- I didn't want to say anything about it first because
>> I wanted an objective answer and didn't want anyone being guided by my
>> interpretations or assumptions, so please accept my apologies if this
>> comes across as deceptive. I just didn't know another way to get
>> responses that didn't involve getting caught up in the visual cues.
>> This call I posted was the red-shouldered hawk that's been hanging out
>> in our yard throughout the winter. I know there's been some question
>> over whether it's a red-tail or a red-shouldered. With the exception
>> of the two posts which pinned it as a blue-jay, everyone else who's
>> written me has been certain that it's the call of a red-shouldered
>> hawk, even without any visuals. I'm still willing to entertain the
>> idea that it's a hybrid of some sort (if that's even possible-- I
>> can't yet find sufficient information to judge whether or not it is),
>> but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the bird is a
>> Here are some pictures of it from the time I did the recording:
>> I also want to note that this is not something I would do in the
>> wild-- if a bird were screeching at me during a forest walk or some
>> other such thing, I'd back off extremely quickly, in case there's a
>> nest nearby. I'm a big believer in not interfering with birds in
>> their own habitat.
>> I feel, however, that if a bird is going to be hanging out in several
>> yards in my neighborhood, that it's probably used to seeing humans
>> enough that while it may not like us, it won't be actively damaged or
>> overly frustrated by our occasional attention.
>> P.S. if anyone's interested, I got some short-eared owl pictures at
>> Plum Island yesterday-- a life bird for me
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>> keyboards could produce the Complete Works of
>> Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
>> this is not true.
>> --Robert Wilensky