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SKIVT-L  December 2007, Week 3

SKIVT-L December 2007, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Freeing our forests

From:

Mike Bernstein <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:35:12 -0500

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:36:07 -0700, Benjamin Kulas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Denis,
>
>I largely agree with you, Denis. Except for the part about gladly paying
>when grazing, logging, and mining subsidies are eliminated.
>
>Public lands like the National Forests and BLM-managed lands should never
>institute fees (although free, limited permits are, in my opinion, an
>acceptable way to limit traffic to sensitive areas) for non-profit, ie,
>recreational, users. National Forests are like public schools. Not every one
>goes to them, but everyone has the right to do so without being charged.
>That's what taxes are for.
>
>Any fee-based model is income discriminatory. Many people dismiss this with
>a laugh and say the fees are such that everyone can afford them, but this is
>not true. The lower your income the more it costs (in terms of percentage of
>your assets) to visit public land. Another example: as the law currently
>exists, one can purchase annual passes. These may be cost-effective for
>frequent users, but the initial fee may be too much for low income people,
>so they are limited to the 1-use "ticket," meaning that they end up paying
>more in the long run or visiting the forests less. Not only are fees
>double-taxation, they're _regressive_ double taxation.

I think this is a laughably poor analysis that could only be produced by a
card-carrying teat sucker. What say ye of gas taxes, sales taxes, and the
cornucopia of fees and charges for activities such as registering a car or
renewing a drivers license? Should we eliminate gas taxes, and therefore a
major source of transportation funding, in the zeal to promote as
progressive a tax system as possible? How about the costs incurred for
businesses to comply with federal regulations that lack all sense of nuance?
 Shouldn't there be a graduated system of regulatory regimes that lessens
the burdens of high fixed costs of compliance for smaller firms? And what
of the fact that while the federal income tax system as a whole is somewhat
progressive, it is a regressive, flat tax WITHIN the bands themselves? Even
worse, many states possess income tax regimes that are either entirely flat,
or so minutely progressive as to be unrecognizable as such. And then there
is the biggest crime of all - those fascists at the MTA in New York who
heartlessly mandate the same $2 for a ride on one of their precious little
trains or buses, no matter your income. Those bastards!!

The fact is that regressive and double, triple, quadruple taxation have a
long history in this and every single other country in the developed world.
 The pages of precedent would fill quite a few Lincoln Navigators in
Stratton's parking lot. You decry this fee as if it is some grossly unfair
concept that isn't appropriate for adoption by govt. The fact it that pay
for play has proven to be a very effective mechanism to fund public services
(e.g. building more/safer roads) or to deliver public goods (e.g. reduction
of traffic and pollution in London). If you are concerned about the impact
on the poor, then devise a multi-tiered program with discounts for lower
income individuals - don't scrap the system entirely. At some point you will
realize that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Oh, BTW, yes they should charge grazing fees and market levels for mining
and timber concessions. That said, I tend to discount a lot of the hype
around "subsidies" with respect to timber companies. To be clear, no timber
company is getting a check from the govt to cut trees on federal land. The
charges are based on the perceived difference in the cost of stumpage (the
right to cut a tree) between private lands and public lands. There are huge
differences in the costs of harvesting on public land vs. private land. On
private land, you can engage in intensive silvicultural activities (using
nitrogen or other additives to the soil and genetic modification) to raise
the output from a given acre. Can't do that on public land. On private
land, you can maintain a road system with culverts and other improvements
that enable you to access the timber in all weather conditions. Not so much
on public lands - roads are built, used and often abandoned. Point is, if
it costs more to harvest on public lands, then to a certain extent the govt
needs to lower its pricing to induce companies to bid on its stumpage. Now
to the extent that this difference in pricing exceeds the difference in
costs, then that would be an implicit subsidy and should be eliminated as
soon as possible.

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