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SKIVT-L  December 2007, Week 3

SKIVT-L December 2007, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Sugarbush Monday Dec 17

From:

Ben Peters <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:26:08 -0500

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I've had very nice interactions with Stowe employees while skinning  
too. My 2nd day of this season (first was on K-mart in late october  
when they were testing the  guns) was a day of preseason skinning at  
Stowe, and the mountain ops people actually stopped by our car in the  
parking lot after we got down and offered us encouragement while  
asking us about the conditions on the mountain. Since then I've  
skinned stowe several times, and accessed side country from the lifts  
a lot more. All interactions I've had with the patrollers have been  
great. I really feel like it generates a lot of good will that is  
way, way more valuable than any revenue they might be losing...  
(although stowe does kinda advertise itself, with the sick terrain  
and deep snowfall)

Restrictions like the ones I've been reading about at sugarbush seem  
very near-sighted. What legitimate reason is there to ban uphill  
traffic? The only ones I can think of are:
1. Potential liability/inconvenience from interfering with snowmaking/ 
grooming/lift maintenance operations
2. Collisions with downhill skiers
3. Patrol forced to rescue hurt skinner
4. Potential liability from said hurt skinner.

Now, in an ideal world, the liability issue would be a non-issue  
unless the resort did something ridiculous, and skinners would treat  
the mountain environment as if it were backcountry, ie- you're on  
your own to the best of your abilities, and you pay the cost of the  
rescue if it becomes necessary. Obviously with our litigious society  
this might not be realistic, but as a mountain, you could clearly  
state that there is no uphill (or downhill) traffic on trails that  
have snowmaking/grooming operation active, as a skinner you must sign  
a liability waiver, and you need to pay the cost of your rescue. If  
it really seemed necessary, uphill traffic could be limited to closed  
trails. This would mean that skinners are not the resort's  
responsibility; effectively they would be pretty much the same as  
winter hikers on the LT. No one would be pissed off, and the resort  
wouldn't be affected. What's the problem with that?

-ben
On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Matthew D. Bruhns wrote:

> Just to offer a different skinning experience from yesterday at a  
> resort further north
>
> I encountered the wind hold at Stowe yesterday morning around 730.  
> When told it didn't look good for the triple for at least 1-2  
> hours, I took out the split and headed up. By the time I reached  
> the top of the triple, patrol was making their first sweep. 2  
> seperate patrolers stopped and offered a "YEAH!", before confirming  
> that the triple would be loading shortly. I continued on up to the  
> nose. saw one other skinner as i entered ridgeview from the toll  
> road, but he was headed for the double to wait for others.
>
> I've hiked/skinned SMR (counting on trails, not BC accessed) this  
> season a dozen times and have only recieved positive, encouraging  
> words from mtn ops and patrol.
>
>
> It's interesting that Boogershush and Steaux have such differring  
> philosophies. If I didnt know better, I'd be inclined to think that  
> it would be the other way around
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
> 0Quoting Matthew Kulas <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> It seems to me that Boogersush has cracked down on skinning since the
>> hordes showed up at Mt. Ellen on 17 November.  Were they surprised  
>> and
>> alarmed by the  number of people who showed up that day?
>>
>> Winn, if you're lurking, this policy stinks!  (So does your reason  
>> for
>> dropping the $5 Friday before Christmas.)  Are you going to ban  
>> spring
>> skin'n'ski, too?  In response, I think backcountry skiers should band
>> together and, with the help of chainsaws, cut our very one
>> skinners-only area in Slide Brook.
>>
>> We all should be very alarmed by this growing anti-earn-your-turns  
>> trend.
>>
>> --Matt K.
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2007 7:49 AM, Evan Osler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> On Dec 17, 2007 10:38 PM, Jonathan S. Shefftz  
>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This is very ironic - I started hiking at SBN on Saturday and was  
>>> promptly
>>> booted off (but in the process was also offered a *free* day pass  
>>> at SBS -
>>> they felt pretty bad about having to enforce the rule and the  
>>> interaction
>>> was quite civil).
>>>
>>> Meanwhile Sheffy was supposed to pay $15 to hike at SBS?
>>>
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