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SKIVT-L  August 2008, Week 2

SKIVT-L August 2008, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Slide, Hunter, Maine, and maybe the LT?

From:

Marc Chrusch <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:22:07 -0600

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WM wrote:

>On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Matthew Kulas <> wrote:
>
>1) It's a homophobic institution.
>
>
>"The BSA respects the rights of people and groups who hold values 
>that differ from those encompassed in the Scout Oath and Law, and 
>the BSA makes no effort to deny the rights of those whose views 
>differ to hold their attitudes or opinions."
>
>(From: 
><http://www.scouting.org/Media/Positions/diversity.aspx>http://www.scouting.org/Media/Positions/diversity.aspx)
>
>I suspect that any number of homosexuals might find that the values 
>that they hold are consistent with both the oath and law as they are 
>written. For the BSA to imply that homosexuals do not hold such 
>values is insulting so long as it lacks an explicit definition of 
>terms, specifically "morally straight."
>
>That being said, as a private organization, it holds the right to 
>foster bigotry.

In Utah, the BSA and the LDS Church are basically the same 
organization. I don't think it's possible to be a troop leader and be 
a non-member. As such, no matter what the official pronouncements and 
press releases state, the church and, by extension, BSA, are 
distinctly homophobic.

An article in the FEB-25 2002 edition "The Nation" by Katherine 
Rosman titled "Mormon Family Values" described a two LDS pamphlets 
and one speech on homosexuality by a Mormon leader:

* One pamphlet allegedly says that "Homosexuality Is Sin: Next to the 
crime of murder comes the sin of sexual impurity."

* Another pamphlet, available only to church leaders, states: "God 
has promised to help those who earnestly strive to live his 
commandments." It mentions that if homosexuals repent enough, 
"heterosexual feelings emerge."

* A former (unidentified) LDS president and prophet has stated: 
"Satan tells his victims that it is a natural way of life; that it is 
normal; that perverts are a different kind of people born 'that way' 
and that they cannot change. This is a base lie...it were better that 
such a man were never born."

In advance of the annual General Conference in Salt Lake City, UT, in 
2000, some Mormon parents asked the LDS Church to review a group of 
20 to 30 year-old pamphlets which they feel condemn their children as 
"latter-day lepers."  Four brochures mentioned are: "To Young Men 
Only," "To The One," "Letter to a Friend," and "For the Strength of Youth."

According  David Hardy, a Salt Lake City attorney and former LDS 
bishop, the pamphlets "engenders fear and loathing" toward gays and 
lesbians. They also convince "parents to condemn and turn against 
their gay children, destroying real families, and drive our gay 
children to self-loathing, despair and suicide."  He noted that the 
"To Young Men Only" pamphlet described, without condemnation, a gay 
bashing incident. Hardy commented that it is "inflammatory, 
insensitive and troubling."

Gary and Milie Watts of Provo, UT said that "these pamphlets... 
characterize our children and other gay and lesbian youth as selfish, 
perverted, abominable and under the control of Lucifer."  Former LDS 
Church President Spencer Kimball has written that "it were better 
that such a man [a homosexual] were never born."  Another tract 
places homosexuality as a perversion on par with the crimes of rape 
and incest. The "To The One" pamphlet describes it as "unnatural," 
"abnormal" and "an affliction."



Time Magazine, 5/1/00:

But the Boy Scouts of America headquarters in Irving, Texas, is 
controlled by another faction in the debate, those for whom "morally 
straight" definitely means sexually straight. In recent years, 
members of the Mormon church have become a powerful force within scouting.

Today nearly 10% of the members of the Boy Scouts Advisory Council 
live in Salt Lake City, Utah, home of the Church of Jesus Christ of 
Latter- day Saints. The Latter-day Saints constitute less than 2% of 
the U.S. population but 21% of the boys in the core Boy Scouts 
program, more than any other group.

The Latter-day Saints have been instrumental in helping defeat 
pro-gay initiatives in at least three states. [Actually, and 
technically speaking, <http://www.lds-mormon.com/prop22.shtml>they 
helped to pass anti-gay initiatives.] In 1995 Jack Goaslind Jr., a 
prominent church member who currently sits on the Scouts advisory 
council, said the church "would withdraw our charter membership" if 
scouting were required to admit gays.



Salt Lake Tribune, 4/26/00

If the Boy Scouts of America is forced to accept gays as 
scoutmasters, the LDS Church will withdraw from the organization and 
take more than 400,000 Scouts with it.

That's the contention of Salt Lake City attorney Von G. Keetch, who 
has filed a brief with the Supreme Court supporting the Boy Scouts' 
ban on homosexuals on behalf of The Church of Jesus Christ of 
Latter-day Saints and four other religious organizations.

Last fall when one of the Leaders in the United Church of Christ went 
to Irving and was discussing their beliefs on the policy with Tom 
Deimler. They were asked by Mr. Deimler if they knew that every 
Mormon boy had to be a Scout?

This was puzzling to the UCC Representative since it *seemed* to be 
out of context since they were discussing the BSA's policy on gays.


-marc

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