LISTSERV mailing list manager LISTSERV 16.5

Help for VTLEPS Archives


VTLEPS Archives

VTLEPS Archives


VTLEPS@LIST.UVM.EDU


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

VTLEPS Home

VTLEPS Home

VTLEPS  September 2008

VTLEPS September 2008

Subject:

Re: Green or Hoary Comma ID help

From:

Kent McFarland <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Butterfly Survey <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:17:43 -0400

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (163 lines)

I too thought it was Eastern Comma Peter. Just catching up on emails 
now.... sorry.
Kent

Kent McFarland
Vermont Center for Ecostudies
PO Box 420  Norwich, VT 05055
802.649.1431
http://www.vtecostudies.org/



Grkovich, Alex wrote:
> *Peter,*
> **
> *Terry's is definitely a Green (faunus). I agree with an earlier 
> comment that yours is an Eastern Comma (comma), winter form...*
> *Alex*
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Vermont Butterfly Survey [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On 
> Behalf Of *Peter Manship
> *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 7:50 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Green or Hoary Comma ID help
>
> Alex,
> You didn't say what your ID choice's are for Terry's Comma or mine 
> base on the photos that we posted. I for one would like to hear what 
> ID's you came up with and way. I looked at the ventral image that 
> Terry posted and the one I posted , the comma on the image I posted 
> has more of an L shape to me and is hooked on both ends. Terry's I 
> thought appears to have a softer curve with a hooked end more C like 
> making Terry's Green Comma ID correct and in fact my Green could be 
> anything but a Green. Is that right ? This is all good stuff but is 
> very confusing at times. Alex what is your ID opinion of the two Comma 
> images we posted? Help out here.
> Peter
> ---- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Grkovich, Alex <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>     *To:* [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:40 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: Green or Hoary Comma ID help
>
>     Peter,
>     Bear in mind that one real good field mark for Hoary (and Gray)
>     Comma is in the shape of the "comma mark" on the VHW. In Hoaries
>     it is an "L", not a "C" with hooked ends...Well, this is not
>     always true in Green females...but is true in males...
>     Also, Hoaries are VERY distinctly two-toned below, much darker
>     inward and much lighter (gray) outward...
>     Alex
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Vermont Butterfly Survey on behalf of Peter Manship
>     *Sent:* Sat 9/20/2008 7:37 PM
>     *To:* [log in to unmask]
>     *Subject:* Re: Green or Hoary Comma ID help
>
>     Hi Terry,
>
>     What great photos you got, how lucky to have it landing on your
>     hand. Just
>     like you said I too am finding ID'ing Commas somewhat challenging and
>     would welcome others input. I'll leave you with this to think
>     about from
>     page 183 of Butterflies of the East Coast about IDing the Green Comma
>     "Virtually all marking are variable, both geographically and within
>     populations" not much help there!
>     As for the image of the ventral view that I posted looking through the
>     plastic jar lid doesn't show the green color that could be seen on the
>     forward wing margins which lead me to the Green Comma ID. But your
>     point
>     is a good one and it could be a Eastern Comma but I think we'll
>     never know
>     the answer to that question. The good thing in all this is that
>     the next
>     time I find one of these Comma's I will look allot harder at the
>     marking and
>     photograph them well before letting it go. And for what it worth I
>     looked at
>     your photos and thought Hoary Comma, because of the gray wing
>     fringe and the
>     ruffled wing shape. The ventral view shows a pattern bellow the
>     comma hw
>     that I couldn't find on the Green,Gray or Eastern Commas looking in
>     Butterflies of the East Coast. All this just adds to the ID dilemma of
>     Commas.
>
>     Peter Manship
>     Ludlow Vt
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: "Terry L. Rosenmeier" <[log in to unmask]>
>     To: <[log in to unmask]>
>     Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:37 AM
>     Subject: Re: Green or Hoary Comma ID help
>
>
>     > Peter, thank you for posting the question and photos.
>     >
>     > We were in northern NH earlier this month not that far from
>     where you were
>     > (Dartmouth College Grant), and we saw lots of commas and
>     struggled with
>     > the IDs ourselves. We think that we were seeing mostly Green
>     Commas, but
>     > they didn't look like the one in your photos. We're wondering if
>     yours
>     > might be an Eastern Comma.
>     >
>     > The ones we saw had very jagged wing edges, had the innermost
>     dot on the
>     > upper forewing dot band doubled across the vein , and had bright
>     yellow
>     > chevrons on the upper forewing, . Most had green markings on the
>     > underwings, but that was only visible in good light.
>     >
>     > I'm attaching photos I took of one that we saw and decided was a
>     Green,
>     > just in case anybody else wants to weigh in on this. (This guy
>     was very
>     > friendly and insisted on landing on us, staying on us even as we
>     walked!)
>     > We're finding that comma ID is not all that straightforward, but
>     we enjoy
>     > the challenge and welcome further discussion!
>     >
>     > Terry Rosenmeier
>     > Karen Kluge
>     > Hanover, NH
>     >
>     > ========================
>     > Can anyone confirm the I.D. of this butterfly (see images) I
>     found it
>     > yesterday on Big Brook rd in Pittsburg N.H. (I know it's not VT
>     but where
>     > else can I find the answer?) I think it's a Green Comma and just
>     want to
>     > make sure.I was going back and forth between Green and Hoary
>     Comma. Tails
>     > not right for a Gray to me, Gray's tail is much darker and
>     fancier alone
>     > the
>     > edge.
>     > Thanks in advance for the help!
>     >
>     > Also seen up there:
>     >
>     > Morning Cloak hundreds of them everywhere, over 80 on Big Brook rd
>     > alone, this was an amazing site. I think they must have just
>     > hatched
>     > on Tuesday , they all looked brand new
>     >
>     > Red Admiral 7
>     > Monarch 1
>     > Cabbage White 15++
>     > Orange Sulfur 3
>     >
>     > Peter Manship
>     > Ludlow Vt
>     >
>

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

Advanced Options


Options

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password


Search Archives

Search Archives


Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe


Archives

April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
October 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003
October 2003
September 2003
August 2003
July 2003
June 2003
May 2003
April 2003
March 2003
February 2003
January 2003
December 2002
November 2002
October 2002
September 2002
August 2002
July 2002
June 2002
May 2002
April 2002

ATOM RSS1 RSS2



LIST.UVM.EDU

CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager