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VTBIRD October 2008

Subject:

Re: confusing fall warbler

From:

Janet Watton <[log in to unmask]>

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Vermont Birds <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:41:05 -0400

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I'm going to stick my neck out and call this beautiful creature a  
Chestnut-sided.  It has a lot of residual yellow on the head, and the  
wing pattern works also, as well as the grayness  that is poking  
through just at the shoulder.
Janet Watton
Randolph Center

On Oct 8, 2008, at 12:00 AM, VTBIRD automatic digest system wrote:

> There are 11 messages totalling 426 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
>   1. Juvenile hooded mergansers
>   2. confusing Fall warbler (6)
>   3. Ross' Goose (2)
>   4. west rutland marsh is one of the top 52 birding hotspots in  
> the country!
>   5. Aitken State Forest, Mendon, - Oct 7
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:03:01 -0400
> From:    Hilke Breder <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Juvenile hooded mergansers
>
> Yesterday I saw a flock of mergansers on a secluded portion of a  
> pond off Springtree Rd in
> Brattleboro. I think they are juvenile hoodies. Any other thoughts?
>
> To find the exact location you can paste the GPS coordinates into  
> Google Earth.
> http://www.onejackdaw.com/My_NA_Birds_Gallery/Hooded_Mergansers.html
>
> Hilke Breder
> Brattleboro
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:28:04 -0400
> From:    Ernie Buford <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: confusing Fall warbler
>
> Here's a Fall quiz bird for you all.  I have my own guess plus an
> opinion from a member of the bird records committee, but be forewarned
> that there may not be a definitive answer.  All I have at the  
> moment are
> these two photos:
>
> http://www.uvm.edu/~ebuford/birds/CE_Fall_warbler.html
>
> This bird hit a window in Bristol last week and was photographed by a
> friend of mine.  Which warbler is it, and why?  Give it a shot.
>
> Enjoy,
> Ernie Buford
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:38:12 -0400
> From:    Julie Waters <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: confusing Fall warbler
>
> At 8:28 AM -0400 10/7/08, Ernie Buford wrote:
>> This bird hit a window in Bristol last week and was photographed by a
>> friend of mine.  Which warbler is it, and why?  Give it a shot.
>
> My initial instinct is that it's a pine warbler.  Black-throated
> green and blackpoll would be likely to show a faint line through the
> eye.
>
> --julie
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:55:17 -0400
> From:    Byard Miller <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: confusing Fall warbler
>
> I'm leaning towards hatch-year Bay-breasted Warbler. Blackpoll should
> show a bit paler in the sides of the neck as shown here <http://
> www.flickr.com/photos/9534802@N02/2903356386/>
>
> The tertials are showing white outer edges as should show on Bay-
> breasted and Blackpoll, but should be absent on Pine Warbler.
>
> Aren't fall warblers fun and challenging!
>
> ...byard
>
> Byard Miller
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>
>
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Ernie Buford wrote:
>
>> Here's a Fall quiz bird for you all.  I have my own guess plus an
>> opinion from a member of the bird records committee, but be
>> forewarned that there may not be a definitive answer.  All I have
>> at the moment are these two photos:
>>
>> http://www.uvm.edu/~ebuford/birds/CE_Fall_warbler.html
>>
>> This bird hit a window in Bristol last week and was photographed by
>> a friend of mine.  Which warbler is it, and why?  Give it a shot.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Ernie Buford
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:59:39 -0400
> From:    Fred and Chris Pratt <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: confusing Fall warbler
>
> Well, you're right - with just these two photos a definitive answer  
> may
> not be possible.  For example, I am uncomfortable pronouncing the back
> streaked (and therefore a Blackpoll or a Bay-breasted) or unstreaked
> (and therefore a Pine).  Also, is the mantle a dark green as the top
> photo suggests or almost yellow-greenish as the lower photo suggests?
> The latter color might push us towards Blackpoll (though leg color  
> isn't
> as pale or as orange as one would like for Blackpoll).  Finally, the
> lower photo suggests a touch of buff or bay on the flank (barely
> visible) which of course could close the deal for Bay-breasted.
>
> Another interesting thing to note is the eye which seems to have
> crescents rather than an eyebrow.  To me this is suggestive of a Pine
> Warbler.
>
> If I saw this bird in the field, I am sure it would be readily
> identifiable. However, if I were still on the Bird Records  
> Committee, I
> would be seeking to know how other members would respond to the
> questions I have raised regarding the two photos.
>
> I guess I think the back is streaked - and therefore not a Pine -  
> so if
> a gun were at my head, I would probably go with a bay-breast.
>
> But who knows - maybe the poor thing is a Blackpoll!  Or maybe that  
> back
> isn't streaked after all.
>
> Pipit
>
> Ernie Buford wrote:
>> Here's a Fall quiz bird for you all.  I have my own guess plus an
>> opinion from a member of the bird records committee, but be  
>> forewarned
>> that there may not be a definitive answer.  All I have at the moment
>> are these two photos:
>>
>> http://www.uvm.edu/~ebuford/birds/CE_Fall_warbler.html
>>
>> This bird hit a window in Bristol last week and was photographed by a
>> friend of mine.  Which warbler is it, and why?  Give it a shot.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Ernie Buford
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:59:40 -0400
> From:    "Nancy A. Brown" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: confusing Fall warbler
>
> My thoughts go to Bay-breasted:  Gray rump;  no white primary tips
> (Blackpoll would have)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernie Buford" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:28 AM
> Subject: [VTBIRD] confusing Fall warbler
>
>
>> Here's a Fall quiz bird for you all.  I have my own guess plus an  
>> opinion
>> from a member of the bird records committee, but be forewarned  
>> that there
>> may not be a definitive answer.  All I have at the moment are  
>> these two
>> photos:
>>
>> http://www.uvm.edu/~ebuford/birds/CE_Fall_warbler.html
>>
>> This bird hit a window in Bristol last week and was photographed by a
>> friend of mine.  Which warbler is it, and why?  Give it a shot.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Ernie Buford
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:52:42 -0400
> From:    fogleman <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: confusing Fall warbler
>
> When you can't get an immediate ID on one of these perpetual  
> puzzlers in the
> field, an easy solution (unless you are really the obsessive type  
> <g>) is to
> move on to other birds and call this type of critter a "Baypoll."   
> This
> works for us when we're busy trying to catch everything in a fall  
> wave,
> count hawks, geese, etc.
>
> If you've only got one bird, and it's one of these, then by all  
> means study
> your heart out - and of course, when you have the corpus in manus  
> (as Ernie
> did) you have ample opportunity.  It's so wonderful these days to  
> have the
> kind of photography tools that permit sharing this kind of scrutiny,
> although one must always use caution in interpretation of color as  
> shown in
> photographs.
>
> What fun!
> Susan Fogleman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vermont Birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Fred  
> and Chris
> Pratt
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:00 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] confusing Fall warbler
>
> Well, you're right - with just these two photos a definitive answer  
> may
> not be possible.  For example, I am uncomfortable pronouncing the back
> streaked (and therefore a Blackpoll or a Bay-breasted) or unstreaked
> (and therefore a Pine).  Also, is the mantle a dark green as the top
> photo suggests or almost yellow-greenish as the lower photo suggests?
> The latter color might push us towards Blackpoll (though leg color  
> isn't
> as pale or as orange as one would like for Blackpoll).  Finally, the
> lower photo suggests a touch of buff or bay on the flank (barely
> visible) which of course could close the deal for Bay-breasted.
>
> Another interesting thing to note is the eye which seems to have
> crescents rather than an eyebrow.  To me this is suggestive of a Pine
> Warbler.
>
> If I saw this bird in the field, I am sure it would be readily
> identifiable. However, if I were still on the Bird Records  
> Committee, I
> would be seeking to know how other members would respond to the
> questions I have raised regarding the two photos.
>
> I guess I think the back is streaked - and therefore not a Pine -  
> so if
> a gun were at my head, I would probably go with a bay-breast.
>
> But who knows - maybe the poor thing is a Blackpoll!  Or maybe that  
> back
> isn't streaked after all.
>
> Pipit
>
> Ernie Buford wrote:
>> Here's a Fall quiz bird for you all.  I have my own guess plus an
>> opinion from a member of the bird records committee, but be  
>> forewarned
>> that there may not be a definitive answer.  All I have at the moment
>> are these two photos:
>>
>> http://www.uvm.edu/~ebuford/birds/CE_Fall_warbler.html
>>
>> This bird hit a window in Bristol last week and was photographed by a
>> friend of mine.  Which warbler is it, and why?  Give it a shot.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Ernie Buford
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:59:18 -0400
> From:    Ron Payne <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Ross' Goose
>
> Yesterday evening I was able to find a single Ross' Goose in amongst =
> about 3,000 or so Snow Geese at the west end of the Dead Creek Goose =
> viewing area. When I first arrived there at 3:30 the flock was far  
> away =
> from the road around the pond and working some nearby taller grass. =
> After spending an hour at the Brilyea access, I came back and they  
> were =
> right up close to the fence on the west end of the viewing area.=20
>
> I first picked it up the Ross' in the air noticing it's smaller  
> size as =
> it moved with a group from one part of the field to another and  
> when it =
> landed I was able to get a good look at all the field marks.=20
>
> Ron Payne
> Middlebury, VT
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:31:47 -0700
> From:    Taj Schottland <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: west rutland marsh is one of the top 52 birding hotspots  
> in the country!
>
> Hey all,
> While talking with my dad the other day he mentioned that the west
> rutland marsh had been named one of the top 52 birding spots in the
> country. I was amazed, and slightly doubtful. But alas,
> apparently Birders World named the west rutland "cattail" marsh to be
> one of the top 52 birding "hotspots" in the country for watching  
> birds.
> As much as us VT birders like this spot, I'm slightly baffled as to  
> how
> it made it onto this list!
> A link to the short VPR article is
> http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/82311/
>
> Good birding.
>
> Taj Schottland
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:39:15 -0700
> From:    Susan Elliott <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Aitken State Forest, Mendon, - Oct 7
>
> Twenty-seven species were observed this morning by four members of  
> Rutland County Audubon in today's monitoring walk at Aitken State  
> Forest. Seventy-one species have been observed in seven consecutive  
> months of monitoring.
>
> Highlights today included both ruby-crowned and golden-crowned  
> kinglets, a high number of hermit thrushes and a white-crowned  
> sparrow (last observed in April).
>
> Canada Goose  X
> Ruffed Grouse  3
> American Woodcock  1
> Mourning Dove   2
> Downy Woodpecker   4
> Hairy Woodpecker   5
> Northern Flicker   1
> Pileated Woodpecker   1
> Red-eyed Vireo   1
> Blue Jay   27
> American Crow   2
> Common Raven  2
> Black-capped Chickadee   47
> Tufted Titmouse  1
> Red-breasted Nuthatch   2
> White-breasted Nuthatch   10
> Brown Creeper   2
> Winter Wren   9
> Golden-crowned Kinglet   1
> Ruby-crowned Kinglet   3
> Hermit Thrush   13
> American Robin  17
> Yellow-rumped Warbler   4
> White-throated Sparrow   3
> White-crowned Sparrow   1
> Dark-eyed Junco   20
> American Goldfinch   3
>
> Sue Elliott
> http://www.rutlandcountyaudubon.org
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:47:53 -0400
> From:    Bill Calfee <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Ross' Goose
>
> How long are Snow Geese at Dead Creek?
>
> Bill Calfee
> 207 Maple Hill Lane
> Dorset, VT 05251
> 802-867-5739
> http://www.sailblogs.com/member/beherenowii/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Payne" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:59 PM
> Subject: [VTBIRD] Ross' Goose
>
>
> Yesterday evening I was able to find a single Ross' Goose in  
> amongst about
> 3,000 or so Snow Geese at the west end of the Dead Creek Goose  
> viewing area.
> When I first arrived there at 3:30 the flock was far away from the  
> road
> around the pond and working some nearby taller grass. After  
> spending an hour
> at the Brilyea access, I came back and they were right up close to  
> the fence
> on the west end of the viewing area.
>
> I first picked it up the Ross' in the air noticing it's smaller  
> size as it
> moved with a group from one part of the field to another and when  
> it landed
> I was able to get a good look at all the field marks.
>
> Ron Payne
> Middlebury, VT
>
>
>
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>
> End of VTBIRD Digest - 6 Oct 2008 to 7 Oct 2008 (#2008-273)
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