a) Isaac Newton's foundations: My questions are natural and obvious
questions related to this thread, regarding ancient developments of science
and mathematics. What debt does Newton owe the ancients? Did he reference
his work to indicate the shoulders he was standing upon?
b) Who discovered America first: My apologies for writing "British
discovered", which is a weird slip, maybe because of the Anglicization of
his name, which in 1492 was Cristobal Colon.
The award for first discovery of America should go to the Mongols, now
called in America, "Navajo", "Apache", etc. That discovery occurred long
before the successful Mongolian conquests through Russia and into Europe.
Mongols and American Indians are strikingly similar. Genetics are similar.
They resemble each other. Similarity extends to cultural detail: Customs,
behavior, language, clothing, teepees, hogans, sleds pulling children and
baggage. The excellent film, "Mongols" (2007), employed Mongol actors and
was directed in Mongolia. It shows the similarities clearly, reminding me
of my several weeks living on Navajo reservations.
Later, Chinese junks may have circumnavigated the globe before Columbus'
visit to America. The Chinese ships were much larger than European ships
before and during the time of Columbus, and they were ingeniously
constructed. Junks could be as large as 540 feet in length and had
partitioned compartments. The design and sail rigging were considered
superior to European designs in many respects, giving them the ability to
sail into the wind like a modern yacht. They were certainly capable of
visiting the Americas by at least as early as the Song Dynasty circa 940 AD.
In contemporary times, junks have succeeded in traversing the Pacific to the
United States to demonstrate the historical possibility.
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:54:48 +1200, Robt Mann <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>The English keep relatively quiet about any claim that they
> As a loyal subject of H.M the Queen, interested in English
>history and the son of an Englishman, I have never heard any such
>claim. The English are open to a range of complaints, so there's no
>need to put up furphies like this one.
> Jim should absorb the fact that tossing out furphies like
>this will decrease his credibility on other matters.
>>On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Jim West wrote:
>>>Did Newton reference and credit his developments? Or did he allow us to
>>>believe he originated them all? I really don't know for sure.
>>>I do know that the English (as any dominant political system) prefer we
>>>believe they "discovered America", etc.
>>>Algebra (obviously Arabic word) seems to have had a good start in Babylon:
>>>As non-western political influence increases in the West, the Western sense
>>>of history will be contradicted. I'm looking forward to the new historical