I carry no banner for the English, but really, I have never heard such a
claim from any English source! It would be beyond ridiculous for them to do
so, since the first Europeans to 'discover' the New World were either
Colombus and his crew or Lief Erikson and his, depending on which historical
sources you credit.
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Subject: Re: The 'first true scientist'
The English keep relatively quiet about any claim that they discovered
As to al-Haythem, the article that Phil posted to originate this
thread says nothing about whether his writings were transmitted to the
West and were in any sense knowable by , say, Roger Bacon, who
experimented with optics, , Francis Bacon, Galileo, or British proto-
scientists around the time of Newton.
I think non-western sources of mathematics, such as the Babylonian or
Sumerian origins of the so called Pythagorean theorem are quite widely
credited. So are many of the Chinese sources rediscovered by Needham,
the Indian source of the concept of zero and other aspects of number,
Still one can find claims, some quite recent, that it all began with
the Greeks. The other day I happened to see a book by the German
philosopher Hans-Georg Gadamer, best known as the expositor of
hermaneutics as a method; the book, translated into English as "the
Beginning of Knowledge" cites the pre-Socratic Heraclitus as the
inventor of science.
On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Jim West wrote:
> Did Newton reference and credit his developments? Or did he allow
> us to
> believe he originated them all? I really don't know for sure.
> I do know that the English (as any dominant political system) prefer
> believe they "discovered America", etc.
> Algebra (obviously Arabic word) seems to have had a good start in
> As non-western political influence increases in the West, the
> Western sense
> of history will be contradicted. I'm looking forward to the new