I emailed my local Ovid rep and said I hoped someone at Ovid was monitoring
this discussion (they usually do, I think), because there was significant
discontent in the ranks...

I'm not going to MLA, but I hope you DO all speak your piece there - you go!



On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Vonville, Helena M <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> It looks as though I really struck a chord with this topic.
>
> What if those of us who are attending MLA all converged on the Ovid booth
> at specified time to protest this ridiculous waste of space?  I'm not
> suggesting that we be rude or obnoxious.  As customers, though, we have a
> right to have our voices heard and this would ensure they heard us as a
> group.  I like the Ovid interface for the most part, but the box is driving
> me crazy.  Enough so that I'm ready to be more proactive on using PubMed,
> especially now that we have our external link-out tool working.
>
> If you are interested, let me know off-list.
>
> If you can't make it to MLA but would like to contribute a comment, I am
> more than happy to compile them.
>
> Helena
>
> Helena M. VonVille, MLS, MPH
> Library Director
> University of Texas School of Public Health
> Houston, TX
> [log in to unmask]
> 713-500-9131
> 713-500-9125 (fax)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Sue Fleming
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:43 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it go away?
>
> I think you are talking about Wolters Kluwer now, aren't you?  That is
> the "megaconglomerate" that Ovid and UpToDate sit under....how easy is
> it to work with them???
> We have a great relationship with everyone we have dealt with at
> Elsevier!
> Sue
> Sue Fleming, MLS
> Medical Librarian
> Via Christi Libraries
> Via Christi Reg Med Ctr
> 929 N. St. Francis
> Wichita, KS  67214
> Ph: (316)268-5982
> Fax: (316)268-8694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Julie Stielstra
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:38 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it go away?
>
> Elsevier?!  The biggest, meanest, stubbornest, least-customer-friendly
> international megaconglomerate  in the universe?  Just kill me now.
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tylman, Vislava <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I think that we all, if we are going to MLA this year should express
> our
> > opinion about the box and whatever we don't like in the "enhanced
> > OvidSP". I don't think it will help, but why we should accept without
> > protest?
> > I did it last year, also asking if Ovid is planning to include
> > advertising in these boxes and the answer from a "top level" woman was
> > "yes, for all these great enhancements we made in Ovid software, we
> need
> > to recover our expenses..." maybe not exactly the words, but this was
> > the answer.
> > It looks like the only help we can get will be another Mark Nelson and
> a
> > good competition...check Elsevier, they are coming with a new database
> > combining Medline and EMBASE.
> >
> > Vislava
> >
> > Vislava Tylman, MLS, AHIP
> > Goldblatt Medical Library
> > Cleveland Clinic Florida
> > 2950 Cleveland Clinic Blvd.
> > Weston, FL 33331
> > Phone: 954-659-5531
> > Fax: 954-659-5532
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Bishop, Christopher
> > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:28 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it go away?
> >
> > I was told by somebody in the know that the "search tip box" was the
> > CEO's baby (Karen Abramsom). So that may be where the whole "it wont
> be
> > changed" mantra is coming from. She made an appearance at MLA last
> year,
> > if she does this year stop by and let her know your opinion in person.
> >
> > Chris Bishop, MLS
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Cynthia Phyillaier
> > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:48 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it go away?
> >
> > I totally agree with all of the comments on this topic! I too have
> asked
> > MANY times, why the "Ovid Tips" box can't be suppressed optionally if
> > the company feels so strongly about it - and been told NO - and "it
> > won't be changed." Increasingly it is clear that the "tips" box is
> > becoming more and more a marketing tool that takes up valuable search
> > history/results space, rather than a tips box for searching.
> >
> > I can see why people are deserting Ovid and going to PubMed. It will
> get
> > harder and harder to justify Ovid's price if our users opt not to
> search
> > with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cynthia Phyillaier, MSLS
> > Medical Librarian, Holy Cross Hospital
> > 1500 Forest Glen Road
> > Silver Spring, MD 20910-1484
> > (301) 754-7987
> > Fax: (301) 754-7247
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > >>> Patricia Scholl <[log in to unmask]> 4/2/2009 10:12 AM >>>
> > I am not sure whether it is this feature turning people off or not,
> but
> > quite often I will spend time teaching Ovid to a student or resident
> and
> > will check on them a while later to see if they need help and guess
> > what??  They are on Pub Med and navigating their search happily!!
> >
> > Patty Scholl, MLIS
> > Medical Librarian
> > St. Joseph Mercy - Oakland
> > 44405 Woodward Avenue
> > Pontiac, MI  48341-2985
> > (248)858-3495
> > FAX (248)858-6496
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > >>> "Herbert, Teri Lynn" <[log in to unmask]> 4/2/2009 10:06 AM >>>
> > You should hear the students complain: it drives many of ours to using
> > PubMed instead.  The company should listen to it's users
> > and bill payers!  Another amen.   Thanks.
> > TL Herbert
> >
> > --
> > Teri Lynn Herbert, MS, MLIS
> > Medical University of South Carolina Library Public Services and
> > Administration Reference Dept.
> > 843-792-1370
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: Julie Stielstra <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Reply-To: Julie Stielstra <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:59:48 -0400
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it go
> away?
> > >
> > > All I can add is AMEN.  I have complained to Ovid MULTIPLE times
> about
> > this
> > > useless waste of space, and a support tech told me it was one of the
> > > most-often complained-about things.  Not that they're doing anything
> > about
> > > it, apparently.  I would add the cute little images of the covers of
> > the
> > > journals!  On the Tables of Contents pages, the image forces you to
> > scroll
> > > down in search of the PDF links (though adding the PDF links to the
> > > citations display is a big help), and it also makes the issues lists
> > take
> > > way longer just to load because we're waiting for a dozen identical
> > little
> > > thumbnails.  Come ON, Ovid, get with the program with the customers
> > who pay
> > > your huge blinkin' bills!!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Vonville, Helena M <
> > > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Has anyone figured out how to make the Ovid tips and advertising go
> > away?
> > >>  Someone shared code when it first appeared that I was able to put
> > into
> > >> EzProxy.  However, Ovid has found a way to work around it.
> > >>
> > >> Now that they have the More>> link under Actions, each box is 2
> lines
> > wide.
> > >>  If the stupid Ovid tips box could go away, maybe, just maybe, it
> > would all
> > >> fit on one line.  It's a real problem when trying to create
> tailored
> > >> handouts.
> > >>
> > >> Ovid-are you listening?  The Ovid tips box is not useful!  The
> Search
> >
> > >> History box needs more flexibility.
> > >>
> > >> Helena
> > >>
> > >> Helena M. VonVille, MLS, MPH
> > >> Library Director
> > >> University of Texas School of Public Health Houston, TX
> > >> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > >> 713-500-9131
> > >> 713-500-9125 (fax)
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > 25 N Winfield Rd
> > > Winfield, IL 60190
> > > phone 630-933-4536
> > > fax     630-933-4530
> > > email jstielstra [ at ]  gmail.com
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> > > "With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and
> > endure
> > > what storms may come."
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Supervisor, Knowledge Resource Library
Central DuPage Hospital
25 N Winfield Rd
Winfield, IL 60190
phone 630-933-4536
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