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SKIVT-L  April 2009, Week 3

SKIVT-L April 2009, Week 3

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Re: OT: NYT--The Quest to Shrink the SLR

From:

Leigh Daboll <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:25:34 -0400

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Pretty much a joke of an article, and totally biased toward the Canikon 
crowd at the expense of seemingly being oblivious to the existing small form 
factor DSLRs that Olympus and Panasonic currently have on the market.  The 
uninformed author likely still thinks that 4/3 sensors 'are the size of 
point 'n shoot sensors'.  Wrong.

Briar's Oly 420 and a 25mm pancake lens is just about the size of a Canon 
G10 and light years ahead in picture taking ability.

The current micro 4/3 sensor Panny G1 any was actually *made* significantly 
bigger by Panasonic than it needed to be so it looked like a tiny DSLR 
because, well, camera guys are pretty traditional.

Wait until summer when the Olympus micro 4/3 rangefinders come out - all of 
the functionalty of a DSLR in a package the size of a pack of smokes.

Limiting oneself to Canon and Nikon cameras is the photographic equivalent 
of stating " The only skis I will buy are Salomon or Rossignol because they 
sell the most, and that means they are the best skis"

As they say, "Horses for courses".  I can already adequately carry my Oly 
DSLR gear in a [big] jacket pocket if I wanted to (my tiny Oly SP-350 
already shoots RAW and has a larger than normal sensor, so it's actually all 
I usually need on the hill).  Why would anyone want to lug around a big 
flimsily-built Canon Rebel in a front pouch pack while skiing?

And Scott, $800 bucks for a consumer level DSLR kit?  You must be kidding 
me!  Oly 420 kits are about half of that (less than that for a lftover 410. 
And  that includes an actual *quality* zoom lens, not that blurry piece of 
crap that comes on the front of a Rebel that you throw away in horror after 
the first batch of photos.

I buy most of my Oly stuff used, or through Cameta on Long Island or from 
Olympus auctions on ebay.

  http://photography.shop.ebay.com/items/Digital-Cameras__olympus-420_W0QQ_catrefZ1QQ_flnZ1QQ_sacatZ31388QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282

Former 25-year Canon camera guy,

Leigh


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Braaten" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] OT: NYT--The Quest to Shrink the SLR


Thanks for posting this, Alex.  That's a pretty informative slide show about
the difference between the "near DSLR" and the "real DSLR."  I have the
Canon PowerShot S5 which is not a SLR camera and Mr. Pogue is spot on when
he talks about the weaknesses of the Canon model.

I would really like to upgrade to DSLR soon but the $800+ price tag is a bit
heavy for me right now.  The S5 that I use cost $300 and was definitely
worth it...I can certainly tell the difference between it and a smaller
point 'n shoot (like the Nikon CoolPix I used to have).

My complaints with the non-DSLR models are like Pogue said:
1) Low light shooting usually brings a lot of "noise" and/or blurred shots
when blown up...especially shooting fast ski action in flat-light like we
get a lot during the winter.
2) Lack of refocusing when shooting multiple frames per second.  I think my
camera does 2-3 fps but it will not continuously refocus each frame like an 
SLR.
3) Depth of field shots are hard as the camera likes to focus everything in
the frame...you can't get that slightly blurred background that really
causes the subject matter to stand out.
4) Blown out bright spots during times of high contrast or just very bright
conditions (such as a sunny April day when there is a huge contrast between
dark evergreens and bright snow).  This is easily fixed in editing, but it
does require editing.

With that said, the zoom feature on these Canons is amazing.  I know what
he's talking about when he calls them "super zoom cameras."  You can get
relatively decent shots from a very far distance such as this one of Mt
Washington from Mansfield:
http://backtotheearthgroup.com/scottb/March%2019%20Stowe/IMG_5831_edited-1.jpg

Or this shot taken while riding the Quad last season when I just got the
camera and was testing the zoom...pretty decent detail for being pretty far
away.
http://www.uvm.edu/~sbraaten/Stowe%2008/February%204/IMG_1095_edited.jpg

If the lighting is good, the camera rocks.  Its so-so in flat light but you
can work around it by getting creative and doing some editing.  All in all,
I can't wait to finally get my hands on a SLR but would certainly recommend
one of the Canon PowerShot models if don't feel like throwing down close to
a grand for a camera.

-Scott

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:22:19 +0000, Alex Friend <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I have a compact digital camera. If I had a bigger better camera, I could
take photos like this one, by Scotty B, shooting from Mansfield:
>http://www.uvm.edu/~sbraaten/Stowe%2008/March%2018/IMG_2318_edited.jpg
>I'm a fan of David Pogue, consumer electronics writer for the NYT. Today he
reviews a couple of new smaller SLR cameras. The subject of his sample
pics--wait for it: skiing. I knew I liked this guy.
>The pics: http://tinyurl.com/d4e5wh
>or
>http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/04/16/technology/personaltech/20090416-POGUE-SLIDESHOW_index.html
>The article:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/technology/personaltech/16pogue.html
>
>
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