Yes, and to "participate" in the performance of this number of studies, to what 
extent does their "participation" constitute a patient eligible to be recorded as 
performed on their educational log?  If you visit enough clinical sites you will 
see that this criteria varries widely, and you may be surprised at what 
"constitutes" a patient logged in the students file.

BW


On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:16:37 -0400, Maguire, Susan 
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>CAAHEP, an program accreditation body specifies the following: 
>
>(1)Each general learning concentration affiliate or clinical education center 
should perform approximately 1500 completed patient examinations, including 
production of permanent records and reports, per year, per student equivalent. 
The overall volume of procedures in which students participate in throughout 
the program should include a minimum of 30% ob/gyn procedures and a 
minimum of 30% abdominal procedures.
>
>(2) Each cardiac learning concentration affiliate or clinical education center 
should perform approximately 800 completed patient examinations, including 
permanent records and reports, per year, per student equivalent. The overall 
volume of procedures in which students participate in throughout the program 
should be representative of the range of cardiac procedures.
>
>(3) Each vascular learning concentration affiliate or clinical education center 
should perform approximately 1000 completed patient examinations, 
representative of the range of vascular procedures, including permanent 
records and reports, per year, per student equivalent. The overall volume of 
procedures in which students participate in throughout the program should be 
representative of the range of non-invasive vascular procedures.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: UVM Flownet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bill 
Wilson
>Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:25
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Probe time
>
>I concur, tech workroom-chair-time does should not substitute for probe-gel-
>patient contact time, however it often times does, sometimes due to the 
student, 
>sometimes due to the staff, lab operations.  Unfortunately most programs (in 
the 
>US) do not objectively measure probe time, instead only clinical time (which 
often 
>times mostly consists of chair-time).
>
>
>On Wed, 26 May 2010 12:07:56 -0400, Connie McCoy <[log in to unmask]> 
>wrote:
>
>>Clinical time and probe time is not the same amount of time.  Some clinical 
sites 
>are better at allowing students probe time.  And, during lab time, most 
students 
>have to share equipment time.
>>So, I don't think students really get as much probe time as  you would 
expect.
>>Connie McCoy, RVT
>>
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