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SCIENCE-FOR-THE-PEOPLE  June 2010

SCIENCE-FOR-THE-PEOPLE June 2010

Subject:

Re: Oil Drillers, located where?

From:

Stuart Newman <[log in to unmask]>

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Science for the People Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:06:02 -0400

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I agree.  Definitely a malign presence.

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:26:07 +0200, Michael Balter 
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I suppose that list members are used to mart's constant demonstrations that
>he is an arrogant, ignorant asshole, but I wonder if our moderator might
>consider having a word with him about it. I for one am tired of his PERSONAL
>attacks on people on this list and his offensive way of expressing himself.
>I don't suggest banning him, but perhaps being warned and put on moderation
>by our moderator who seems strangely silent on this matter.
>
>MB
>
>On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:04 AM, mart <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> i dont think you answered the questions.  also, those questions seem to
>> come from a 'radio host', more interested in generating listeners (911
>> truth, aids denial, gary nul.l  wakefield).    actually dont give a f-k.
>>   my views is rather than proposing 'rational solutions' one can promote
>> 'rational thinking' and people casn fugger it out theyselfs. sh-t likerly
>> wont happen here.  its all ph d-.
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 6/11/10, herb fox <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: herb fox <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Oil Drillers, located where?
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 9:20 PM
>>
>>
>> Good questions Mitch:
>>  BP's rig the Deepwater Horizon at 1,260 meters above the ocean floor
>> operates at but half the depth of the Independence Hub floating 2,414
>> meters above the ocean bottom.  These are but two of the 6669 platforms 
and
>> rigs active and removed of which 819 are presently still fully manned.  In
>> other words Deepwater Horizon was but one unlucky match in the tinder 
box
>> and BP but one of the oligopoly that produces 23% of US oil out of the gulf
>> (about 2% of global production).
>>
>> Of even more significance is the pattern of consumption in the US (See
>> attached chart.).  2/3 of oil consumed in US goes for transportation.  The
>> many idle and torn-up RR tracks are in part the consequence of deliberate
>> policy decisions almost 60 years ago that resulted in the building of a
>> network of highways to accommodate trucking and the consciously 
stimulated
>> emerging two-car per family households.  Gentrification in the cities as old
>> factory buildings became apartments, office suites, etc and the newer
>> industries established production facilities in circumurban industrial
>> developments required inner city workers to commute to work outside the 
city
>> center with no choice but gas guzzling clunkers.  Why no choice?  Because
>> there has been no significant investment in public transportation.  Then
>> when the current crisis threatened to terminate the US auto industry and it
>> came suckling at the federal teats, instead of using federal funds to
>> retrain auto workers and put them to work in a massive program to build
>> modern public transportation, the auto industry was pumped up and the
>> government instituted incentives for the purchase of new cars.  And what 
is
>> our role?  We complain about risky oil rigs and industry and government
>> malfeasance; but do not suggest, promote and campaign for the rational
>> alternatives that are actually realizable under this dysfunctional system.
>>
>> Consider another relationship.  Bringing home the military in the present
>> economy with 15 million unemployed would tip the scale.  It doesn't have
>> the capacity to absorb more workers.   But bringing them home to build
>> infrastructure would save money and reduce oil consumption.
>>
>> Our country is one big cauldron of boiling rage and dissatisfaction.  What
>> is need is a positive program that can unite large numbers who don't
>> necessarily have to agree on everything.  What those who have a
>> revolutionary perspective must grasp is that the experience of struggling
>> for reasonable reforms and thereby discovering from where the opposition
>> comes and the irrationality of its defense of the status quo is the school
>> in which people learn who the enemy is, who they can trust, and how they
>> have much more in common with their neighbors than with the turkeys in
>> Washington.
>>
>> Yes, that's a rant, and i'm not sorry.  And yes i am doing something about
>> it, not just ranting.  We don't have much time.
>> herb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/11/2010 7:47 PM, Mitchel Cohen wrote:
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1) BP is, unfortunately, the only corporation under attack for this
>> devastating catastrophic gusher in the Gulf.
>>
>> Is there a list -- or better yet a MAP -- of where all of the deep sea oil
>> drillers are located?
>>
>> 2) Many of these would be in international waters, I suspect. Does the US
>> Coast Guard or other national agency of any country have jurisdiction? If
>> not, who does?
>>
>> If no one, does that mean that every deep sea oil driller can do whatever
>> it wants? Maritime Law? International Law?
>>
>> And if so, does that mean that any non-state actor (activist, ecologist)
>> can take whatever measures THEY want with impunity as well, so long as
>> they're in international waters?
>>
>>
>> Thanx.
>>
>> Mitchel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>-- 
>******************************************
>Michael Balter
>Contributing Correspondent, Science
>Adjunct Professor of Journalism,
>New York University
>
>Email:  [log in to unmask]
>Web:    michaelbalter.com
>NYU:    journalism.nyu.edu/faculty/balter.html
>******************************************
>
>"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor
>have no food, they call me a Communist." -- H�lder Pessoa C�mara
>

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