Now that more than one person has asked that mart avoid personal attacks ---and in the process attack him personally, I might add -- I would like both to ask mart to please try to avoid such attacks, and ask others how they feel. I would rather the second matter not be carried out on the list, but by direct response to me. And it is possible to complain about personal attacks without indulging in them oneself, so, please, be more careful how you put things when you complain. It is also possible to apologize, everyone.
Michael, Moderator SftP list
On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Stuart Newman wrote:
> I agree. Definitely a malign presence.
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:26:07 +0200, Michael Balter
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> I suppose that list members are used to mart's constant demonstrations that
>> he is an arrogant, ignorant asshole, but I wonder if our moderator might
>> consider having a word with him about it. I for one am tired of his PERSONAL
>> attacks on people on this list and his offensive way of expressing himself.
>> I don't suggest banning him, but perhaps being warned and put on moderation
>> by our moderator who seems strangely silent on this matter.
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:04 AM, mart <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> i dont think you answered the questions. also, those questions seem to
>>> come from a 'radio host', more interested in generating listeners (911
>>> truth, aids denial, gary nul.l wakefield). actually dont give a f-k.
>>> my views is rather than proposing 'rational solutions' one can promote
>>> 'rational thinking' and people casn fugger it out theyselfs. sh-t likerly
>>> wont happen here. its all ph d-.
>>> --- On *Fri, 6/11/10, herb fox <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>>> From: herb fox <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Oil Drillers, located where?
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 9:20 PM
>>> Good questions Mitch:
>>> BP's rig the Deepwater Horizon at 1,260 meters above the ocean floor
>>> operates at but half the depth of the Independence Hub floating 2,414
>>> meters above the ocean bottom. These are but two of the 6669 platforms
>>> rigs active and removed of which 819 are presently still fully manned. In
>>> other words Deepwater Horizon was but one unlucky match in the tinder
>>> and BP but one of the oligopoly that produces 23% of US oil out of the gulf
>>> (about 2% of global production).
>>> Of even more significance is the pattern of consumption in the US (See
>>> attached chart.). 2/3 of oil consumed in US goes for transportation. The
>>> many idle and torn-up RR tracks are in part the consequence of deliberate
>>> policy decisions almost 60 years ago that resulted in the building of a
>>> network of highways to accommodate trucking and the consciously
>>> emerging two-car per family households. Gentrification in the cities as old
>>> factory buildings became apartments, office suites, etc and the newer
>>> industries established production facilities in circumurban industrial
>>> developments required inner city workers to commute to work outside the
>>> center with no choice but gas guzzling clunkers. Why no choice? Because
>>> there has been no significant investment in public transportation. Then
>>> when the current crisis threatened to terminate the US auto industry and it
>>> came suckling at the federal teats, instead of using federal funds to
>>> retrain auto workers and put them to work in a massive program to build
>>> modern public transportation, the auto industry was pumped up and the
>>> government instituted incentives for the purchase of new cars. And what
>>> our role? We complain about risky oil rigs and industry and government
>>> malfeasance; but do not suggest, promote and campaign for the rational
>>> alternatives that are actually realizable under this dysfunctional system.
>>> Consider another relationship. Bringing home the military in the present
>>> economy with 15 million unemployed would tip the scale. It doesn't have
>>> the capacity to absorb more workers. But bringing them home to build
>>> infrastructure would save money and reduce oil consumption.
>>> Our country is one big cauldron of boiling rage and dissatisfaction. What
>>> is need is a positive program that can unite large numbers who don't
>>> necessarily have to agree on everything. What those who have a
>>> revolutionary perspective must grasp is that the experience of struggling
>>> for reasonable reforms and thereby discovering from where the opposition
>>> comes and the irrationality of its defense of the status quo is the school
>>> in which people learn who the enemy is, who they can trust, and how they
>>> have much more in common with their neighbors than with the turkeys in
>>> Yes, that's a rant, and i'm not sorry. And yes i am doing something about
>>> it, not just ranting. We don't have much time.
>>> On 6/11/2010 7:47 PM, Mitchel Cohen wrote:
>>> 1) BP is, unfortunately, the only corporation under attack for this
>>> devastating catastrophic gusher in the Gulf.
>>> Is there a list -- or better yet a MAP -- of where all of the deep sea oil
>>> drillers are located?
>>> 2) Many of these would be in international waters, I suspect. Does the US
>>> Coast Guard or other national agency of any country have jurisdiction? If
>>> not, who does?
>>> If no one, does that mean that every deep sea oil driller can do whatever
>>> it wants? Maritime Law? International Law?
>>> And if so, does that mean that any non-state actor (activist, ecologist)
>>> can take whatever measures THEY want with impunity as well, so long as
>>> they're in international waters?
>> Michael Balter
>> Contributing Correspondent, Science
>> Adjunct Professor of Journalism,
>> New York University
>> Email: [log in to unmask]
>> Web: michaelbalter.com
>> NYU: journalism.nyu.edu/faculty/balter.html
>> "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor
>> have no food, they call me a Communist." -- H�lder Pessoa C�mara